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Michael Flynn Resigns
Michael Flynn Resigns
Flynn is out as National Security Advisor. National Security Council Chief of Staff and Trump Campaign Advisor Retired Lt. General Keith Kellogg steps in as Interim National Security Advisor...
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Re: Michael Flynn Resigns
One down 38 to go... Let's work on Bannon next.
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"I'll choose the best people for my administration"
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This stooge chose a guy that couldn't hang onto his job for a month...
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This stooge chose a guy that couldn't hang onto his job for a month...
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Flynn is a registered democrat.
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Now that's the spirit You alt lefties are way too much.TC Talks wrote:One down 38 to go... Let's work on Bannon next.
an open mind is a terrible thing to waste.
Re: Michael Flynn Resigns
Yes but he was an outspoken Trump supporter, trafficked in conspiracy theories and generally opposed everything Democrats stood for... hardly matters what his registration was at that point...audiophile wrote:Flynn is a registered democrat.
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Absolutely.NS8401 wrote:Yes but he was an outspoken Trump supporter, trafficked in conspiracy theories and generally opposed everything Democrats stood for... hardly matters what his registration was at that point...audiophile wrote:Flynn is a registered democrat.
To put a finer point on this, there's nothing "political" about exercising good judgement. I'm troubled when I see people (Trump obviously among them) get starry-eyed and swoon at the image of Flynn in his tailored uniform sporting fuzzy over-sized epaulets, sleeve insignia's, dinner-plate sized ribbon field and such as the model of all that's good and right when in fact that Black or Hispanic kid wearing a hoodie and sweatpants wiping your car down after it's gone through the car wash almost certainly possess more character and integrity than Donald Trump's selection to be a part of the National f'n Security Council.
If that weren't enough, Petraeus, yet another Central Casting military guy who can't seem to keep his mouth in check, is being considered for the post.
No, the question is not politics, it's having the capacity to make good decisions.
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What exactly did Flynn do that was wrong? Maybe, and I say maybe, misleading the VP?
The guy was set to become the National Security Adviser. Why the hell wouldn't he be having conversations with people from other nations? Everyone is making a deal out of the Russian conversation, but he had calls/contacts with at least a dozen others.
My opinion, he should have came out and said, "Damn right I had a conversation with the Russian ambassador. I also had conversations with many other ambassadors. I was set to become the National Security Adviser and needed to be able to hit the ground running."
Boom. Non-issue.
The guy was set to become the National Security Adviser. Why the hell wouldn't he be having conversations with people from other nations? Everyone is making a deal out of the Russian conversation, but he had calls/contacts with at least a dozen others.
My opinion, he should have came out and said, "Damn right I had a conversation with the Russian ambassador. I also had conversations with many other ambassadors. I was set to become the National Security Adviser and needed to be able to hit the ground running."
Boom. Non-issue.
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
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Let me help you with your education, snowflake.Bryce wrote:What exactly did Flynn do that was wrong? Maybe, and I say maybe, misleading the VP?
The guy was set to become the National Security Adviser. Why the hell wouldn't he be having conversations with people from other nations? Everyone is making a deal out of the Russian conversation, but he had calls/contacts with at least a dozen others.
My opinion, he should have came out and said, "Damn right I had a conversation with the Russian ambassador. I also had conversations with many other ambassadors. I was set to become the National Security Adviser and needed to be able to hit the ground running."
Boom. Non-issue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act
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And if that's how you feel this went down (it's not quite as simple as you think) then surely you feel the same way about Obama speaking to Medvedev... you derided that one when it happened...Bryce wrote:What exactly did Flynn do that was wrong? Maybe, and I say maybe, misleading the VP?
The guy was set to become the National Security Adviser. Why the hell wouldn't he be having conversations with people from other nations? Everyone is making a deal out of the Russian conversation, but he had calls/contacts with at least a dozen others.
My opinion, he should have came out and said, "Damn right I had a conversation with the Russian ambassador. I also had conversations with many other ambassadors. I was set to become the National Security Adviser and needed to be able to hit the ground running."
Boom. Non-issue.
Flynn likely violated the Logan Act which prohibits private citizens from negotiating with foreign governments... but lying to Pence was the real deal breaker here... Flynn is a slimeball of a guy anyways...
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Seriously? Name ONE person ever prosecuted under the Logan Act.Lester The Nightfly wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act
How exactly is a private individual capable of interfering in foreign relations? If I gave Vlad a call back in the day and told him how I felt about the current administration would I have been guilty? Or, would it be understood that I was speaking on behalf of ME and MY opinion and it held absolutely no weight with the current administration and therefore impossible to create "interference in the foreign relations of the United States.In general, the Act is intended to prevent unauthorized American citizens from interfering in disputes or controversies between the United States and foreign governments. Although attempts have been made to repeal the Act, it remains law and at least a potential sanction to be used against anyone who without authority interferes in the foreign relations of the United States.
Interesting that the Alt-Left of the time had no issue with Ted Kennedy, George McGovern, or Jesse Jackson interfering with United States interests.
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
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Yet it still exists, and unlike some "Horses shall wear diapers on Sundays" statute, I take matters like this seriously. Apparently so do others as evidenced by Flynn's resignation. Had you considered that the potential for blackmail concerns expressed the the DOJ and others was more than simple embarrassment but that there may be enough evidence to pursue Logan Act charges? Not a good look for a National Security Adviser.Bryce wrote:Seriously? Name ONE person ever prosecuted under the Logan Act.
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Very considering it was passed in 1799...Bryce wrote:Seriously? Name ONE person ever prosecuted under the Logan Act.Lester The Nightfly wrote:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Logan_Act
How exactly is a private individual capable of interfering in foreign relations? If I gave Vlad a call back in the day and told him how I felt about the current administration would I have been guilty? Or, would it be understood that I was speaking on behalf of ME and MY opinion and it held absolutely no weight with the current administration and therefore impossible to create "interference in the foreign relations of the United States.In general, the Act is intended to prevent unauthorized American citizens from interfering in disputes or controversies between the United States and foreign governments. Although attempts have been made to repeal the Act, it remains law and at least a potential sanction to be used against anyone who without authority interferes in the foreign relations of the United States.
Interesting that the Alt-Left of the time had no issue with Ted Kennedy, George McGovern, or Jesse Jackson interfering with United States interests.
Did I say it was likely? No.
But you're a letter of the law guy... if he was not yet NSA then clearly he would still be a private citizen and be in violation of the law for talking sanctions with the Russian Ambassador... or does the letter of the law and following it not count now? Maybe it only counts when THEY do it? But when a guy on the right does it there's a thousand excuses for why it's ok? If I had made any arguments (excuses?) like you made above I would have been excoriated by you...
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Not at all...
Again, I fail to see how conversations held by a private individual could be construed to interfere and be in violation of the intent of this act.
No one seems to mention the law broken by the political hack that leaked this information. Hmmm
Again, I fail to see how conversations held by a private individual could be construed to interfere and be in violation of the intent of this act.
No one seems to mention the law broken by the political hack that leaked this information. Hmmm
New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.
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Things leak all the time...Bryce wrote:Not at all...
Again, I fail to see how conversations held by a private individual could be construed to interfere and be in violation of the intent of this act.
No one seems to mention the law broken by the political hack that leaked this information. Hmmm
If he's negotiating with the Russians to reduce sanctions on them once Trump takes office but he is doing so in an unofficial capacity (not yet NSA) then he is still a private citizen and is interfering in the relations between the USA and another government, something that the law expressly forbids... this isn't rocket science... it's quite simple actually...