Obama's War On The Suburbs

[Bryce]

Well, he promised to "fundamentally transform the United States of America." Many of his policies have indeed done so. Now, months away from leaving office, he is putting in place a scheme to attack the suburbs.

Pretty much, it boils down to the fact that he doesn't think there are enough black people in places like Novi, Bloomfield Hills or Grosse Pointe. So, the "administration" is putting in place a scheme that will punish suburbs that they feel are too white and too wealthy. The administration has implemented a powerful new regulation — “Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing” — that pressures all suburban counties taking federal grant money to change local zoning laws to build more low-income housing (landlords of such properties are required to accept Section 8 vouchers even from convicted felons). In addition, they are in the process of "super-sizing" housing vouchers to give low income individuals enough money to afford housing for a move to wealthy areas.

I'll bet the folks in Northville, that pay some of the highest property taxes in the state, people that have worked for years to be able to afford that area, are really excited that their community could be similar to the area around the Jefferson projects 10 years from now.

Democrat control and programs have fucked up our inner cities almost beyond repair. Now they want to destroy the suburbs too.

Might this "con" also be a way to dilute the Republican voting stronghold in certain areas to influence Congressional races?

And FYI, Julian Castro, rumored to be HilLIEry's running mate, is the guy currently in charge of all this.

[TC Shuts Up]

Julian Castro is probably related to Fidel Castro. I can't imagine ANYONE other than a Communist voting for a Presidential Candidate with a Vice Presidential Candidate named Castro. Did they think about that first? Or is the election so rigged that the Communist wins?

Once again, these policies will result in more crime except for the Corporatists and Politicians in their gated communities. Is it any wonder that Trump has the support he does?

[Deleted User 8570]

Well, he promised to "fundamentally transform the United States of America." Many of his policies have indeed done so. Now, months away from leaving office, he is putting in place a scheme to attack the suburbs.

Pretty much, it boils down to the fact that he doesn't think there are enough black people in places like Novi, Bloomfield Hills or Grosse Pointe. So, the "administration" is putting in place a scheme that will punish suburbs that they feel are too white and too wealthy. The administration has implemented a powerful new regulation — “Affirmatively Furthering Fair Housing” — that pressures all suburban counties taking federal grant money to change local zoning laws to build more low-income housing (landlords of such properties are required to accept Section 8 vouchers even from convicted felons). In addition, they are in the process of "super-sizing" housing vouchers to give low income individuals enough money to afford housing for a move to wealthy areas.

I'll bet the folks in Northville, that pay some of the highest property taxes in the state, people that have worked for years to be able to afford that area, are really excited that their community could be similar to the area around the Jefferson projects 10 years from now.

Democrat control and programs have fucked up our inner cities almost beyond repair. Now they want to destroy the suburbs too.

Might this "con" also be a way to dilute the Republican voting stronghold in certain areas to influence Congressional races?

And FYI, Julian Castro, rumored to be HilLIEry's running mate, is the guy currently in charge of all this.

Got a link pal?

[TC Talks]

That's a complete bastardized explanation of the HUD changes. As an expert on this topic, there is no threat to property values from affordable housing developments. Please find anything to support your premis. Better yet go back to complaining about Ted Cruz and Trump. Damn pedestrian blathering fools on this board

Take the money, follow the rules.

[Lester The Nightfly]

Julian Castro is probably related to Fidel Castro. I can't imagine ANYONE other than a Communist voting for a Presidential Candidate with a Vice Presidential Candidate named Castro. Did they think about that first? Or is the election so rigged that the Communist wins?

Once again, these policies will result in more crime except for the Corporatists and Politicians in their gated communities. Is it any wonder that Trump has the support he does?

...and former Chicago Cub and current New York Yankee Starlin Castro is probably related to both of 'em. THE RED MENACE IS OUT OF HAND

[TC Shuts Up]

Chicago and New York City are known Communist strongholds. Emanuel and DeBlasio are Communists. The sports teams court Cubans and Fidel Castro helps them negotiate. Steinbrenner was even in on it.

http://articles.latimes.com/1987-03-15/ ... jor-league

[Bryce]

That's a complete bastardized explanation of the HUD changes. there is no threat to property values from affordable housing developments. Damn pedestrian blathering fools on this board

Not only values, but quality of life.
From the NY Post:

HUD recently tested this new theory in Dallas with disastrous results.

Starting in 2012, the agency sweetened Section 8 voucher payments, and pointed inner-city recipients to the far-flung counties surrounding Dallas. As government-subsidized rentals spread in all areas of the Metroplex (163 ZIP codes vs. 129 ZIP codes), so did crime.

Now Dallas has one of the highest murder rates in the nation, and recently had to call in state troopers to help police control it. For the first time, violent crime has shifted to the tony bedroom communities north of the city. Three suburbs that have seen the most Section 8 transfers — Frisco, Plano and McKinney — have suffered unprecedented spikes in rapes, assaults and break-ins, including home invasions.

A 2011 study sponsored by HUD found that adults using more generous Section 8 vouchers did not get better jobs or get off welfare. In fact, more went on food stamps. And their children did not do better in their new schools.

Worse, crime simply followed them to their safer neighborhoods, ruining the quality of life for existing residents.

Sorry leftists, this is bureaucratic over reach of the highest order. It's also unconstitutional and against the law. Since when does the federal government have the right to tell people where they are going to live and who they will live with? (well I suppose if the SCOTUS agrees that the Fed's can force people to buy a product...) This is a local matter. Using the threat of withholding federal funds (tax dollars) for compliance is nothing short of extortion. The FBI put a bunch of people, who's last name ended in a vowel, in prison back in the 60's and 70's for doing the exact same thing. Those tax dollars isn't the governments money, it's ours.

[TC Talks]

Wait,wait... Housing placement vouchers and affordable housing are two completely different topics. Also, that Post story suggests crime rose as a result of the vouchers, yet the HUD study didn't reach that conclusion. Are you that stupid? Because I can immediately put you down in the ranks of the morons in this place.

Again, a real piece of evidence, not a fox news type hit piece written for Trump types.

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the researchers saw home values appreciate 6.5% within a tenth of a mile of an LIHTC project. Crime rates also fell, and more non-minorities moved into the area, increasing diversity. In higher-income neighborhoods, those with median incomes above $54,000, housing prices declined approximately 2.5% within a tenth of a mile of a project, and segregation increased (the researchers noticed no crime impact).

https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/a ... ighborhood

[Deleted User 8570]

Wait,wait... Housing placement vouchers and affordable housing are two completely different topics. Also, that Post story suggests crime rose as a result of the vouchers, yet the HUD study didn't reach that conclusion. Are you that stupid? Because I can immediately put you down in the ranks of the morons in this place.

Again, a real piece of evidence, not a fox news type hit piece written for Trump types.

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the researchers saw home values appreciate 6.5% within a tenth of a mile of an LIHTC project. Crime rates also fell, and more non-minorities moved into the area, increasing diversity. In higher-income neighborhoods, those with median incomes above $54,000, housing prices declined approximately 2.5% within a tenth of a mile of a project, and segregation increased (the researchers noticed no crime impact).

https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/a ... ighborhood

So there is a net negative effect to putting it in Bloomfield Hills or Northville where nobody wants them anyways and a net positive in Detroit or Pontiac where such investment is sorely needed. That's what the focus should be on. Putting it where people don't want it to force diversity or what not is a terrible approach that by all evidences hurts more than it helps. That's exactly what your link says TC. Not really sure that's the point you wanted to make but it's pretty clear.

[TC Shuts Up]

This isn't a new concept. They've been building high rises (and their dilapidated shells torn down 30 years later), building expressways through minority neighborhoods, displacing them to other areas, building government housing, converting existing housing to Section 8, all with resulting high crime and outward flight of existing residents, for over 50 years. I guess targeting Bloomfield Hills types is what's new. I guess they are no longer the chosen 1%, due to trade policies that favor outsourcing, and the resulting decline of the industries that put them in the 1%. The 1% isn't even in favor, it's the 0.1% and the 0.01% and the 0.001% and the politicians who put them there, further separating themselves from the people who do the remaining work, acting like the struggling masses are defective, and that they deserve their fate. "Let them eat cake" will be their next mantra.

[Bryce]

Wait,wait... Housing placement vouchers and affordable housing are two completely different topics. Also, that Post story suggests crime rose as a result of the vouchers, yet the HUD study didn't reach that conclusion. Are you that stupid? Because I can immediately put you down in the ranks of the morons in this place.

You helping T Rump run his campaign these days? Call people names and denigrate news outlets?

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the researchers saw home values appreciate 6.5% within a tenth of a mile of an LIHTC project. Crime rates also fell, and more non-minorities moved into the area, increasing diversity. In higher-income neighborhoods, those with median incomes above $54,000, housing prices declined approximately 2.5% within a tenth of a mile of a project, and segregation increased (the researchers noticed no crime impact).

https://www.gsb.stanford.edu/insights/a ... ighborhood

Your Study, not mine...

shows that affordable housing development could be an effective policy to help revitalize and integrate low-income areas, Diamond says.

In higher-income neighborhoods, those with median incomes above $54,000, housing prices declined approximately 2.5% within a tenth of a mile of a project, and segregation increased.

“In the high-income areas, you saw a strong housing price drop very locally, and then it radiated outward over time,” McQuade says. The price effects remain even after 10 years, Diamond adds.

I guess "moron's" are better at citing sources that support their position than limousine liberals are.

[Mega Hertz]

Democrat control and programs have fucked up our inner cities almost beyond repair. Now they want to destroy the suburbs too.

Agree. If this is such an issue, why not just dump the money or create legislation to make the inner-city more affordable and better to live in? Ideally, this would allow the finer citizens who want to escape the drugs and gangs and robberies and have a better quality of life. Instead, for every two of those citizens that finally make it to a better area, I see those that like being on the lower rung of society making their way out here to live. And eventually, that will bring those property values down.

this "con" also be a way to dilute the Republican voting stronghold in certain areas to influence Congressional races?

I wouldn't be surprised if this had even a LITTLE bit to do with it. While Oakland is generally a red county, and Wayne firmly in the blue election after election, Macomb can be kind of a mixed bag. I don't see it being enough of an impact in Oakland County to throw it to the Democrats, but if it works well enough, it could help the margin wider in favor of the Democrats in Macomb. That's not to say it was teetering red, but with more development the further north here in Macomb, as opposed to years past with Sterling Heights and Warren being the big dogs with the Arabic population and numerous auto plants, there's been a shift. Places like Chesterfield, Algonac, Shelby Twp., etc., are expanding and have generally voted Republican. Add some liberal Detroiters to the mix, and that blows away any ground the Republican party has made north of M-59 and east of Romeo Plank.

Now this isn't all to blame on those pesky, unethical Democrats (because we ALL know how squeaky clean the right is...........). Perhaps instead of hand-wringing and pants shitting, how about the Republicans fight fire with fire. Its scary that no other person on the right in this thread has stood up and said anything about reaching out to the blacks, to the Latinos, etc. You know...worry about how they could potentially reach that voting block. It reeks of defeatism by assuming that just because they're there that they're voting Democrat. Get to them before the Democrats do. Otherwise, you're just plain being lazy and whiny.

[Deleted User 8570]

Democrat control and programs have fucked up our inner cities almost beyond repair. Now they want to destroy the suburbs too.

Agree. If this is such an issue, why not just dump the money or create legislation to make the inner-city more affordable and better to live in? Ideally, this would allow the finer citizens who want to escape the drugs and gangs and robberies and have a better quality of life. Instead, for every two of those citizens that finally make it to a better area, I see those that like being on the lower rung of society making their way out here to live. And eventually, that will bring those property values down.

this "con" also be a way to dilute the Republican voting stronghold in certain areas to influence Congressional races?

I wouldn't be surprised if this had even a LITTLE bit to do with it. While Oakland is generally a red county, and Wayne firmly in the blue election after election, Macomb can be kind of a mixed bag. I don't see it being enough of an impact in Oakland County to throw it to the Democrats, but if it works well enough, it could help the margin wider in favor of the Democrats in Macomb. That's not to say it was teetering red, but with more development the further north here in Macomb, as opposed to years past with Sterling Heights and Warren being the big dogs with the Arabic population and numerous auto plants, there's been a shift. Places like Chesterfield, Algonac, Shelby Twp., etc., are expanding and have generally voted Republican. Add some liberal Detroiters to the mix, and that blows away any ground the Republican party has made north of M-59 and east of Romeo Plank.

Now this isn't all to blame on those pesky, unethical Democrats (because we ALL know how squeaky clean the right is...........). Perhaps instead of hand-wringing and pants shitting, how about the Republicans fight fire with fire. Its scary that no other person on the right in this thread has stood up and said anything about reaching out to the blacks, to the Latinos, etc. You know...worry about how they could potentially reach that voting block. It reeks of defeatism by assuming that just because they're there that they're voting Democrat. Get to them before the Democrats do. Otherwise, you're just plain being lazy and whiny.

Obama won Oakland twice... Just sayin'...

[Mega Hertz]

Democrat control and programs have fucked up our inner cities almost beyond repair. Now they want to destroy the suburbs too.

Agree. If this is such an issue, why not just dump the money or create legislation to make the inner-city more affordable and better to live in? Ideally, this would allow the finer citizens who want to escape the drugs and gangs and robberies and have a better quality of life. Instead, for every two of those citizens that finally make it to a better area, I see those that like being on the lower rung of society making their way out here to live. And eventually, that will bring those property values down.

this "con" also be a way to dilute the Republican voting stronghold in certain areas to influence Congressional races?

I wouldn't be surprised if this had even a LITTLE bit to do with it. While Oakland is generally a red county, and Wayne firmly in the blue election after election, Macomb can be kind of a mixed bag. I don't see it being enough of an impact in Oakland County to throw it to the Democrats, but if it works well enough, it could help the margin wider in favor of the Democrats in Macomb. That's not to say it was teetering red, but with more development the further north here in Macomb, as opposed to years past with Sterling Heights and Warren being the big dogs with the Arabic population and numerous auto plants, there's been a shift. Places like Chesterfield, Algonac, Shelby Twp., etc., are expanding and have generally voted Republican. Add some liberal Detroiters to the mix, and that blows away any ground the Republican party has made north of M-59 and east of Romeo Plank.

Now this isn't all to blame on those pesky, unethical Democrats (because we ALL know how squeaky clean the right is...........). Perhaps instead of hand-wringing and pants shitting, how about the Republicans fight fire with fire. Its scary that no other person on the right in this thread has stood up and said anything about reaching out to the blacks, to the Latinos, etc. You know...worry about how they could potentially reach that voting block. It reeks of defeatism by assuming that just because they're there that they're voting Democrat. Get to them before the Democrats do. Otherwise, you're just plain being lazy and whiny.

Obama won Oakland twice... Just sayin'...

Oh I know. But you'll generally find that Oakland swings Republican. I was shocked when Obama pulled Oakland!

[Deleted User 8570]

Democrat control and programs have fucked up our inner cities almost beyond repair. Now they want to destroy the suburbs too.

Agree. If this is such an issue, why not just dump the money or create legislation to make the inner-city more affordable and better to live in? Ideally, this would allow the finer citizens who want to escape the drugs and gangs and robberies and have a better quality of life. Instead, for every two of those citizens that finally make it to a better area, I see those that like being on the lower rung of society making their way out here to live. And eventually, that will bring those property values down.

this "con" also be a way to dilute the Republican voting stronghold in certain areas to influence Congressional races?

I wouldn't be surprised if this had even a LITTLE bit to do with it. While Oakland is generally a red county, and Wayne firmly in the blue election after election, Macomb can be kind of a mixed bag. I don't see it being enough of an impact in Oakland County to throw it to the Democrats, but if it works well enough, it could help the margin wider in favor of the Democrats in Macomb. That's not to say it was teetering red, but with more development the further north here in Macomb, as opposed to years past with Sterling Heights and Warren being the big dogs with the Arabic population and numerous auto plants, there's been a shift. Places like Chesterfield, Algonac, Shelby Twp., etc., are expanding and have generally voted Republican. Add some liberal Detroiters to the mix, and that blows away any ground the Republican party has made north of M-59 and east of Romeo Plank.

Now this isn't all to blame on those pesky, unethical Democrats (because we ALL know how squeaky clean the right is...........). Perhaps instead of hand-wringing and pants shitting, how about the Republicans fight fire with fire. Its scary that no other person on the right in this thread has stood up and said anything about reaching out to the blacks, to the Latinos, etc. You know...worry about how they could potentially reach that voting block. It reeks of defeatism by assuming that just because they're there that they're voting Democrat. Get to them before the Democrats do. Otherwise, you're just plain being lazy and whiny.

Obama won Oakland twice... Just sayin'...

Oh I know. But you'll generally find that Oakland swings Republican. I was shocked when Obama pulled Oakland!

Generally but that tide is slowly shifting...