Hamas Attacks Israel

[Matt]

I can't take the idiocy of the "This wouldn't have happened under Trump crowd" and neither could the WSJ:

The front-runner for the GOP presidential nomination for some reason used the words “smart” and “Hezbollah” in the same sentence on Wednesday night. Whatever Donald Trump meant to convey, Republicans might look at the sparks going up around the world as they decide whether to sign up for four more years of this strategic insight.

“Two nights ago I read all of Biden’s security people, can you imagine, national defense people,” Mr. Trump said Wednesday night in West Palm Beach. “And they said ‘Gee, I hope Hezbollah doesn’t attack from the north. Because that’s the most vulnerable spot.’ And I said, wait a minute, you know Hezbollah is very smart. They’re all very smart. The press doesn’t like when they say, you know. I said that President Xi of China, 1.4 billion people, he controls it with an iron fist. I said he’s a very smart man. They killed me the next day. I said he was smart. What am I gonna say?”

We’ll leave it to Trump partisans to explain that soliloquy, and the speech included some hardy perennials about rigged elections and this one about Vladimir Putin: “I got along with him very good. You know, I actually got along with the tough guys the best.”

Perhaps Mr. Trump’s most revealing comments were about Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, an ally he is supposed to be friendly with. In his rambling, Mr. Trump brought up that the Israeli leader declined to participate in the 2020 U.S. operation to kill Iranian general Qasem Soleimani. “I’ll never forget that Bibi Netanyahu let us down.”

Mr. Netanyahu is the political leader of America’s closest friend in the Middle East, which is staring down the worst security crisis in 50 years. At least 27 Americans are dead and more are missing. But Mr. Trump can’t separate this from his personal grievances.

He’s also mad because Mr. Netanyahu publicly acknowledged that President Biden won the 2020 election, as if a foreign leader could say anything else. “He was very early—like earlier than most. I haven’t spoken to him since. F— him,” he told a writer for Axios.

For once Mr. Trump’s competition for the GOP presidential nomination is criticizing him. It’s “absurd that anyone, much less someone running for President, would choose now to attack our friend and ally, Israel,” Florida Governor Ron DeSantis said in a post on Twitter. Vice President Mike Pence also hit Mr. Trump’s comments.

Mr. Trump has an impressive record of support for Israel that he could stick to touting. This includes moving the U.S. Embassy to Jerusalem, after other Presidents promised but failed to deliver. And there are the Abraham Accords between Israel and Arab states that Mr. Biden has supported and has been trying to extend to Saudi Arabia.

But Mr. Trump can’t help himself from making everything about himself. That’s the same way he handled the Covid crisis, and it’s what voters would get in a second Trump term in a much more dangerous world.

[zzand]

The man is an idiot.

[audiophile]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Trump was right on this however:

[zzand]

Are you really willing to die on the Trump is right mountain?

[TC Talks]

No I am not but I am not ok with Hamas doing the same thing. War in the middle east is a different animal and to most of us, who are caring people, find it wrong on many levels. I did see where IDF has warned people in Northern Gaza to go far south so the innocent losses will be few in the next 24 hours.

Forced relocation is not the proper way to do things. Forcing citizens to walk dozens of miles to safety goes against international treaties. Israel is skating on war crimes. Know who else had forced relocation? Hitler.

They need to avoid hospitals and schools too.

[TC Talks]

Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Trump was right on this however:

Israel prefers Biden as a stable leader with decades of international diplomacy experience. Trump's International diplomacy includes overpaying for sex with Porn Stars from New Jersey.

[audiophile]

Are you really willing to die on the Trump is right mountain?

Trump has lot of flaws, but he better with foreign policy.

[zzand]

Foreign Governments don't all agree with you.

[TC Talks]

Are you really willing to die on the Trump is right mountain?

Trump has lot of flaws, but he better with foreign policy.

Give us 2 examples?

You are a protectionist, this should be fun...

[Honeyman]

https://www.theatlantic.com/internation ... de/675602/

[bmw]

As much as I've wanted to give TC Talks the benefit of the doubt here, as I don't like war any more than anybody else, my problem with his position is that he is distinguishing between Israel as a legitimate country and Hamas as a terrorist organization and basically arguing that "terrorists gonna terrorize" but legitimate countries need to take a moral high ground and be better. The problem with that argument is that while Hamas is indeed a terrorist organization, it also controls a piece of land, effectively making the Gaza strip comparable to a small country. And TC's position (which is no surprise given how he feels about an individual's right to defend him/herself against a threat of great bodily harm or death) is that Israel should have its ability to adequately defend itself basically neutered and that while he "condemns" terrorism, he still passively allows them to do what it is that they do and without significant consequence.

There is one key difference between Israel and Hamas though, and that is that Israel, despite having nuclear capabilities, is declining to use those capabilities. Make no mistake about it - if Hamas had nukes (which Iran would almost certainly provide them if they had them), they would quite literally wipe Israel off the face of the earth and make that place unlivable for the next few hundred years.

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As much as I've wanted to give TC Talks the benefit of the doubt here, as I don't like war any more than anybody else, my problem with his position is that he is distinguishing between Israel as a legitimate country and Hamas as a terrorist organization and basically arguing that "terrorists gonna terrorize" but legitimate countries need to take a moral high ground and be better. The problem with that argument is that while Hamas is indeed a terrorist organization, it also controls a piece of land, effectively making the Gaza strip comparable to a small country. And TC's position (which is no surprise given how he feels about an individual's right to defend him/herself against a threat of great bodily harm or death) is that Israel should have its ability to adequately defend itself basically neutered and that while he "condemns" terrorism, he still passively allows them to do what it is that they do and without significant consequence.

There is one key difference between Israel and Hamas though, and that is that Israel, despite having nuclear capabilities, is declining to use those capabilities. Make no mistake about it - if Hamas had nukes (which Iran would almost certainly provide them if they had them), they would quite literally wipe Israel off the face of the earth and make that place unlivable for the next few hundred years.

Not that I want to try it... but do you really think they are foolish enough to kill themselves and everyone around them? That's awfully counterproductive...

[bmw]

Iran has, many times, stated its intent to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. While TC Talks claims that Iran involvement in funding Hamas is a "conspiracy theory," I beg to differ. If Iran had nukes, it would use Hamas to blow up Israel. Whether Hamas would go along that (for the reason you mention) is unknown, but they are crazy, irrational people, so who knows.

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Iran has, many times, stated its intent to wipe Israel off the face of the Earth. While TC Talks claims that Iran involvement in funding Hamas is a "conspiracy theory," I beg to differ. If Iran had nukes, it would use Hamas to blow up Israel. Whether Hamas would go along that (for the reason you mention) is unknown, but they are crazy, irrational people, so who knows.

Iran might do that... but the consequence would be a nuke dropped directly on the leadership of that country and I think they know that... Would vaporizing Israel be worth being vaporized?

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Not that I want to try it... but do you really think they are foolish enough to kill themselves and everyone around them? That's awfully counterproductive...

If you're talking about Hamas, they just may think exactly that. These are folks that have no qualms being suicide bombers. And they don't seem to have a problem blowing up their own as collateral damage for the greater good.