Netanyahu jeopardizes US relationship

[zzand]

Exactly. We use numbers from Hamas and they never lie. Hahahaha

[TC Talks]

Exactly. We use numbers from Hamas and they never lie. Hahahaha

35,000 comes from the United Nations. It's genocide and defending it has little to do with your faith.

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Exactly. We use numbers from Hamas and they never lie. Hahahaha

35,000 comes from the United Nations. It's genocide and defending it has little to do with your faith.

It comes from the Gaza Health Ministry which is run by Hamas.

[TC Talks]

Are you suggesting that we should use counts generated from Israel's information office?

How are deaths recorded?
The figures have been released in different ways by the two separate authorities - the GMO and the health ministry - and the UN has now switched from quoting the former to the latter to break down demographic data.

At the start of the war the health ministry only reported deaths for which details had been registered in hospitals, whereas from November, the GMO included an additional category of deaths recorded in "reliable media reports".

More recently the health ministry has included these media reports compiled by the GMO, along with an additional category of deaths recorded by family members by filling in an online form.

Gaza's health ministry is now therefore reporting these figures:

deaths recorded in hospitals
deaths reported by family members
deaths from "reliable media reports"
Some of these for which information is missing (such as an ID number or date of birth) are included in the overall number of deaths in the health ministry figures, but are not broken down demographically.

The number of women and children killed is deeply contested because it is often interpreted as an indication of the number of civilian deaths.

In a recent interview, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said about 30,000 people had been killed in Gaza, with 14,000 of them being "terrorists" and 16,000 civilians. He did not provide any evidence for those figures.

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Are you suggesting that we should use counts generated from Israel's information office?

How are deaths recorded?
The figures have been released in different ways by the two separate authorities - the GMO and the health ministry - and the UN has now switched from quoting the former to the latter to break down demographic data.

At the start of the war the health ministry only reported deaths for which details had been registered in hospitals, whereas from November, the GMO included an additional category of deaths recorded in "reliable media reports".

More recently the health ministry has included these media reports compiled by the GMO, along with an additional category of deaths recorded by family members by filling in an online form.

Gaza's health ministry is now therefore reporting these figures:

deaths recorded in hospitals
deaths reported by family members
deaths from "reliable media reports"
Some of these for which information is missing (such as an ID number or date of birth) are included in the overall number of deaths in the health ministry figures, but are not broken down demographically.

The number of women and children killed is deeply contested because it is often interpreted as an indication of the number of civilian deaths.

In a recent interview, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said about 30,000 people had been killed in Gaza, with 14,000 of them being "terrorists" and 16,000 civilians. He did not provide any evidence for those figures.

I’m suggesting there are no neutral counters here and we must take figures like this with several tablespoons of salt.

[km1125]

Has HAMAS ever reported how many of their combatants have been killed?

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

Exactly. We use numbers from Hamas and they never lie. Hahahaha

You're cool with tens of thousands of people being starved? All my Jewish friends are ashamed and speaking out. I never thought you would be aligned with far right Zionists and Netanyahu.

Edit: For what it's worth, I don't believe what's going on is genocide, but there are war crimes being committed.

[zzand]

I am a Jaw that stands with Israel. Gentiles may not understand why some if not most do but there it is and I am not ashamed of my stance at all. Hamas shoulders the responsibility for what happens to those under its leadership. They want to wipe Israel and its people from the face of the planet so they reap what they sew.

[km1125]

Still wondering why NONE of the neighboring countries would take the "innocent civilian" Palestinians in and shelter them until the warfare has subsided. I'll bet they could even make a valid case to the UN to get reimbursed for cost.

Anyone else have an answer to that?

[Lester The Nightfly]

I am a Jaw that stands with Israel. Gentiles may not understand why some if not most do but there it is and I am not ashamed of my stance at all. Hamas shoulders the responsibility for what happens to those under its leadership. They want to wipe Israel and its people from the face of the planet so they reap what they sew.

I know this will sound awkward at best and perhaps a little disrespectful so if I need to apologize in advance consider this as having done so, but I'm genuinely curious if you and your tribe (so to speak) consider your Jewishness (?) more important than the morality of inflicting harshness on the innocent, specifically the children and aid workers (like the WCK incident)? Or do you?

I'm just wondering how you reconcile that? Do you just compartmentalize and chalk it up the collateral damage of a group attacking how and what you identify with? or is it that you do have empathy but under the circumstances it's secondary?

Again zzand, apologies if needed and I'm not really making an attempt to be a smart ass about this, just trying to learn about the mindset. Thx.

(I assume you're not a Jaw)

[zzand]

No need to apologize. It is a war and horrific things happen to innocent people during war. I hate that aspect of any conflict but unless the world comes up with a different way to fight wars it will continue to happen. Our leaders killed how many innocent people during the wars we fought? How do you justify all those innocent deaths?

[Lester The Nightfly]

No need to apologize. It is a war and horrific things happen to innocent people during war. I hate that aspect of any conflict but unless the world comes up with a different way to fight wars it will continue to happen. Our leaders killed how many innocent people during the wars we fought? How do you justify all those innocent deaths?

Thanks for the thoughtful answer.

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

I will be honest: one of the things that has bothered me is that we have continuously supported Israel. That includes during non war times. The recent events have made that even more of a concern.

[TC Talks]

Yet another International court is calling for Israel to halt killing women and children. Their response: pound sand and let the killing continue. It's time to face the fact that this goes beyond protection.

The International Court of Justice on Friday ordered Israel to “immediately” halt its military offensive in the city of Rafah in southern Gaza, dealing another blow to the country as it faces increasing international isolation and a drumbeat of criticism over its conduct in the war.

The court has few effective means of enforcing its order, and it stopped short of ordering a cease-fire in Gaza, with some of the court’s judges arguing that Israel could still conduct some military operations in Rafah under the terms of their decision.

But the order added more pressure on the government of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who has faced domestic and external calls to reach a cease-fire deal with Hamas that would lead to the release of hostages held in Gaza.

“The court considers that, in conformity with obligations under the Genocide Convention, Israel must immediately halt its military offensive, and any other action in the Rafah governorate, which may inflict on the Palestinian group in Gaza conditions of life that could bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part,” the court’s president, Nawaf Salam, said in reading the 13-2 ruling.

The court, based at The Hague, also specified the need for open land crossings, in particular the Rafah crossing, as part of its request for “the unhindered provision” of humanitarian assistance and services. Israel has controlled the Rafah crossing for more than two weeks, and very few aid trucks have entered the enclave since, according to United Nations data.

The Israeli government said in a statement that its military “has not and will not” take actions that would lead to the partial or complete destruction of the Palestinian population of Rafah. In effect, it said that the court’s decision has no bearing on Israel’s offensive because the prohibited acts are not occurring.

Hard-line Israeli politicians said that Israel should just disregard the ruling.

“There ought to be one response: the conquest of Rafah, the escalation of military pressure and the utter shattering of Hamas until the achievement of total victory,” Itamar Ben-Gvir, the far-right national security minister, said in a statement.

[km1125]

What did the International Court of Justice say or do about HAMAS killing folks left and right?