Trudeau orders an immediate freeze on the sale of handguns in Canada

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..... Those armed rarely "respond" to crisis, even police officers. ....

It's certainly getting rarer, and will continue to get rarer as more folks realize that trying to help someone else out comes with H*** risks including folks 'monday-morning quarterbacking' and pushing for convictions for such folks. Why put yourself at ANY risk unless it's YOUR life that's being threatened? That includes cops, who are more and more "looking the other way" rather than taking on that risk, and it puts us ALL in more danger.

Whatever happened to a baton as a standard police device? Somebody with a knife can be disabled with a few good cracks with one. No gun needed. You don’t even have to beat the daylights out of them either.

[km1125]

..... Those armed rarely "respond" to crisis, even police officers. ....

It's certainly getting rarer, and will continue to get rarer as more folks realize that trying to help someone else out comes with H*** risks including folks 'monday-morning quarterbacking' and pushing for convictions for such folks. Why put yourself at ANY risk unless it's YOUR life that's being threatened? That includes cops, who are more and more "looking the other way" rather than taking on that risk, and it puts us ALL in more danger.

Whatever happened to a baton as a standard police device? Somebody with a knife can be disabled with a few good cracks with one. No gun needed. You don’t even have to beat the daylights out of them either.

You can't take a baton to a gun fight, and bad guys have guns (mostly because we REFUSE to enforce the law and incarcerate bad guys with guns).

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I had a friend that got shot and almost died.

They stopped to help a person in the road, as a good Samaritan, and they got ambushed by 4 with rifles.

They caught the 4, they pled down to attempted armed robbery and got 3-4 years. paroled in 18 months.

Beyond insane. You fire a gun and hit someone though a pre-planned event, they should throw away the key.

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..... Those armed rarely "respond" to crisis, even police officers. ....

It's certainly getting rarer, and will continue to get rarer as more folks realize that trying to help someone else out comes with H*** risks including folks 'monday-morning quarterbacking' and pushing for convictions for such folks. Why put yourself at ANY risk unless it's YOUR life that's being threatened? That includes cops, who are more and more "looking the other way" rather than taking on that risk, and it puts us ALL in more danger.

Whatever happened to a baton as a standard police device? Somebody with a knife can be disabled with a few good cracks with one. No gun needed. You don’t even have to beat the daylights out of them either.

You can't take a baton to a gun fight, and bad guys have guns (mostly because we REFUSE to enforce the law and incarcerate bad guys with guns).

I didn’t propose that… I proposed incapacitating someone with a knife or other weapon that IS NOT a gun. Especially in a mental health crisis. It might go a long way to stopping animosity towards the police.

[Colonel Flagg]

I will never understand how power wielding sissies like Trudeau get elected in the first place, but if ordinary citizens are not allowed to protect themselves with firearms, then Trudeau should also give up that privilege.

Same thing should happen here. No more of this "Rules for me, but not for thee" nonsense. Everyone has the right to yell "Help! Police!" and that's it. Or, if you're a Democrat, "Help! Social Worker!"

[Bryce]

..... Those armed rarely "respond" to crisis, even police officers. ....

It's certainly getting rarer, and will continue to get rarer as more folks realize that trying to help someone else out comes with H*** risks including folks 'monday-morning quarterbacking' and pushing for convictions for such folks. Why put yourself at ANY risk unless it's YOUR life that's being threatened? That includes cops, who are more and more "looking the other way" rather than taking on that risk, and it puts us ALL in more danger.

Whatever happened to a baton as a standard police device? Somebody with a knife can be disabled with a few good cracks with one. No gun needed. You don’t even have to beat the daylights out of them either.

You can't take a baton to a gun fight, and bad guys have guns (mostly because we REFUSE to enforce the law and incarcerate bad guys with guns).

I didn’t propose that… I proposed incapacitating someone with a knife or other weapon that IS NOT a gun. Especially in a mental health crisis. It might go a long way to stopping animosity towards the police.

Because knives are a deadly weapon. Sometimes more deadly, as many kevlar vests are not designed to stop a knife.

A strike to the neck or femoral artery will have you bleed out in around two minutes.

Also keep in mind that the average human can transverse 20 feet in less than 2 seconds. Want to defend yourself with a baton? Baton's are great for cheerleading and Drum majors.

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..... Those armed rarely "respond" to crisis, even police officers. ....

It's certainly getting rarer, and will continue to get rarer as more folks realize that trying to help someone else out comes with H*** risks including folks 'monday-morning quarterbacking' and pushing for convictions for such folks. Why put yourself at ANY risk unless it's YOUR life that's being threatened? That includes cops, who are more and more "looking the other way" rather than taking on that risk, and it puts us ALL in more danger.

Whatever happened to a baton as a standard police device? Somebody with a knife can be disabled with a few good cracks with one. No gun needed. You don’t even have to beat the daylights out of them either.

You can't take a baton to a gun fight, and bad guys have guns (mostly because we REFUSE to enforce the law and incarcerate bad guys with guns).

I didn’t propose that… I proposed incapacitating someone with a knife or other weapon that IS NOT a gun. Especially in a mental health crisis. It might go a long way to stopping animosity towards the police.

Because knives are a deadly weapon. Sometimes more deadly, as many kevlar vests are not designed to stop a knife.

A strike to the neck or femoral artery will have you bleed out in around two minutes.

Also keep in mind that the average human can transverse 20 feet in less than 2 seconds. Want to defend yourself with a baton? Baton's are great for cheerleading and Drum majors.

Ok… then let’s put an electrical charge on the end of our baton. My point is that there has to be a way to incapacitate a mentally ill person without putting 40 bullets in them. That’s what just happened here in Detroit a few weeks ago. They were called there for a mental health crisis and found a guy with a knife coming at them.

[matt1]

By the way, the movie "Heat" from 1995 had Al Pacino saying "GREAT ASS"!! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHKCIZP ... =RichMessi

[km1125]

Ok… then let’s put an electrical charge on the end of our baton. My point is that there has to be a way to incapacitate a mentally ill person without putting 40 bullets in them. That’s what just happened here in Detroit a few weeks ago. They were called there for a mental health crisis and found a guy with a knife coming at them.

Was that the same guy who had already stabbed MULTIPLE PEOPLE over just the last couple years?

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..... Those armed rarely "respond" to crisis, even police officers. ....

It's certainly getting rarer, and will continue to get rarer as more folks realize that trying to help someone else out comes with H*** risks including folks 'monday-morning quarterbacking' and pushing for convictions for such folks. Why put yourself at ANY risk unless it's YOUR life that's being threatened? That includes cops, who are more and more "looking the other way" rather than taking on that risk, and it puts us ALL in more danger.

and... Killing people is immoral

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Ok… then let’s put an electrical charge on the end of our baton. My point is that there has to be a way to incapacitate a mentally ill person without putting 40 bullets in them. That’s what just happened here in Detroit a few weeks ago. They were called there for a mental health crisis and found a guy with a knife coming at them.

Was that the same guy who had already stabbed MULTIPLE PEOPLE over just the last couple years?

That’s irrelevant to the question.

[Bryce]

Was that the same guy who had already stabbed MULTIPLE PEOPLE over just the last couple years?

That’s irrelevant to the question.

No it's not. If you are responding to a call of a person with a knife that has a known history of actually stabbing people, do you still want to go talk to him with a baton?

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Was that the same guy who had already stabbed MULTIPLE PEOPLE over just the last couple years?

That’s irrelevant to the question.

No it's not. If you are responding to a call of a person with a knife that has a known history of actually stabbing people, do you still want to go talk to him with a baton?

So 3 or 4 officers with batons cannot incapacitate a man with a knife? He can successfully attack all sides of his body with it at all times? How big of a knife is this? It must measure at least 10 feet.

[Bryce]

Was that the same guy who had already stabbed MULTIPLE PEOPLE over just the last couple years?

That’s irrelevant to the question.

No it's not. If you are responding to a call of a person with a knife that has a known history of actually stabbing people, do you still want to go talk to him with a baton?

So 3 or 4 officers with batons cannot incapacitate a man with a knife? He can successfully attack all sides of his body with it at all times? How big of a knife is this? It must measure at least 10 feet.

Ya know what? You'll be happy to know the Detroit Police Department is hiring. With your education and experience dealing with people, you should be a shoe in. You can then lead by example attempting to disarm knife wielding subjects with your baton. You may even be able to author a text book on procedure that can be used by departments nationwide

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Was that the same guy who had already stabbed MULTIPLE PEOPLE over just the last couple years?

That’s irrelevant to the question.

No it's not. If you are responding to a call of a person with a knife that has a known history of actually stabbing people, do you still want to go talk to him with a baton?

So 3 or 4 officers with batons cannot incapacitate a man with a knife? He can successfully attack all sides of his body with it at all times? How big of a knife is this? It must measure at least 10 feet.

Ya know what? You'll be happy to know the Detroit Police Department is hiring. With your education and experience dealing with people, you should be a shoe in. You can then lead by example attempting to disarm knife wielding subjects with your baton. You may even be able to author a text book on procedure that can be used by departments nationwide

I asked a question. If you’re not willing to discuss it reasonably then buzz off.