The Democrats' single biggest problem

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I realize you were talking about social issues. I was going for discourse. He has essentially numbed people, especially his followers into a trance where things they would never have tolerated before are A-OK... he has moved the Overton window on discourse essentially. Social issues you’re spot on however.

I will say that there are fears that he will file lawsuits galore if he loses. He has made it clear that he doesn’t lose. He is better than 50-50 odds to try to start a new campaign for 2024 on January 20th 2021 if he loses and his followers may not look on the new president as legitimately elected. He is likely to imply that the person won based on nefarious activity and Illegal voting. If he loses fair and square and he “loves this country” as Bryce said then he will peacefully transition without a peep. He’s not going to lose gracefully and that’s the fear and the danger. There has been no evidence that he can take a loss gracefully on ANYTHING.

[bmw]

You know I never thought about the prospect of running for a 2nd term in non-consecutive terms, like running in 2024 if he loses in 2020. That would be interesting. And perfectly legal.

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With Tricky Dick Nixon - and his pardoning fill-in Ford - voters were starving for honesty and decency. And Carter seemed and sounded like the most honest guy around. A Sunday school teacher! With both governing and military officer experience - who’d survived political campaigns and elections.

Same with the 2020 election. Trump has spent four years schooling voters in all his predictable pathological behaviors and verbiage. Exhaustive. Sickening. Enough!

Which ever opposition candidate can appeal to voter’s hunger for trustworthy honesty, a high regard for ethics and American values, plus display courage to defend America! And courtesy, empathy, kindness, and smarts - is going to win this next election.

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You know I never thought about the prospect of running for a 2nd term in non-consecutive terms, like running in 2024 if he loses in 2020. That would be interesting. And perfectly legal.

Perfectly legal is absolutely correct. I honestly think he might do it and it would be fascinating to watch the ensuing 3 years of essentially dueling presidents... it would also make us a true banana republic...

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I'm an independent and I don't much like Trump. I could vote for a moderate Democrat.
But if it's a far left Democrat I'm inclined to either skip the POTUS portion of the ballot or lean toward the devil I know verses the devil I don't.

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I'm an independent and I don't much like Trump. I could vote for a moderate Democrat.
But if it's a far left Democrat I'm inclined to either skip the POTUS portion of the ballot or lean toward the devil I know verses the devil I don't.

My fear is that the Bernie crowd (and he’s not even a real Democrat) will hijack this thing and be too stupid to figure out how to win something that should be winnable.

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The main thing is: not destroying the US Constitution. The separation of power - three separate but co-equal branches of government - through checks and balances - MUST BE MAINTAINED.

By being lawless, not complying with congressional subpoenas, inviting or welcoming foreign interference in our elections, etc. Trump is abusing his power and demolishing the constitution as if it was just some piece of paper with his SOTU campaign speech written on it! When in fact the US Constitution is the law of the land.

The test of a true patriot? Can you condone the gutting of the US Constitution? If yes - you’re no patriot. Because you can’t sense the danger of a US Constitution that nobody obeys. Especially a president who wants to be a Putin, Kim Jong Un, or other tin horn brutal dictator who presides over a government with powerless parliaments, and the dictator - in the lead down an inglorious path - who nobody dare oppose - or else!

Trump - in his mental illness - wants to be that type of leader - and has been making every classic move to do so: attacking free press, attacking own security and intel agencies, weakening cabinet departments, admiring and kissing up to brutal dictators, blaming and treating as scary immigrants and suffering refugees, issuing threats to any in the government who oppose his ideas, having no care or concern for the people except to use as pawns, lies incessantly, bullies, surround self with yes men, awards dishonorable yes men, denigrates true heroes.

A republic if you can keep it? You won’t know what you had til it’s gone.

[bmw]

SG - why do you insist on continually trying to hijack other peoples' posts with arguments completely off-topic to the original post? You do this REPEATEDLY in this forum with your one-track mind of anti-Trump hatred.

I don't see anything in anything you've written in this thread addressing any problems that the Democrat party might have.

You're entitled to your opinion and to state it in here, but please, put it where it belongs - in relevant posts.

[bmw]

I'm an independent and I don't much like Trump. I could vote for a moderate Democrat.
But if it's a far left Democrat I'm inclined to either skip the POTUS portion of the ballot or lean toward the devil I know verses the devil I don't.

My fear is that the Bernie crowd (and he’s not even a real Democrat) will hijack this thing and be too stupid to figure out how to win something that should be winnable.

"will" hijack? Hate to break it to you, but they already "have" hijacked it. That train left the station long ago. And do you know why they succeeded at hijacking it? Because the more moderate wing of the party didn't have the guts to stomp it out. The irony is, that by wanting to be this "all inclusive" party and not wanting to offend anybody, your party has allowed itself to be fractured rather than united. Trump saw it in 2016. That's why a lot of his campaign rhetoric was aimed at middle class working white males in the midwest - a lot of whom traditionally vote Democrat. Those voters are so disillusioned by what they see from your party that they crossed over to the other side. And if someone like Bernie gets the nomination, they ain't going back.

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I'm an independent and I don't much like Trump. I could vote for a moderate Democrat.
But if it's a far left Democrat I'm inclined to either skip the POTUS portion of the ballot or lean toward the devil I know verses the devil I don't.

My fear is that the Bernie crowd (and he’s not even a real Democrat) will hijack this thing and be too stupid to figure out how to win something that should be winnable.

"will" hijack? Hate to break it to you, but they already "have" hijacked it. That train left the station long ago. And do you know why they succeeded at hijacking it? Because the more moderate wing of the party didn't have the guts to stomp it out. The irony is, that by wanting to be this "all inclusive" party and not wanting to offend anybody, your party has allowed itself to be fractured rather than united. Trump saw it in 2016. That's why a lot of his campaign rhetoric was aimed at middle class working white males in the midwest - a lot of whom traditionally vote Democrat. Those voters are so disillusioned by what they see from your party that they crossed over to the other side. And if someone like Bernie gets the nomination, they ain't going back.

In trade for white working class men they are getting suburban women... they have been deserting the GOP in droves... I’m not sure which group is bigger or more valuable but that seems to be the trend. The parties are in the midst of a major realignment with educated and suburban voters going bluer and rural and working class voters going redder. Bernie and Co. are a problem but the venom against Trump will likely overcome that in the end. The people who want Trump gone will literally vote for a yellow dog if that’s what it takes... any dissenters in the Republican Party took off a while ago but it’s actually a coalition of groups that make strange bedfellows... you have white working class voters, largely white evangelicals and their social issues, big business that doesn’t care a whit about either group and certainly not about abortion or anything and a few traditional conservatives not horrified by Trump.. that’s not a sustainable coalition long term. In about 20 years or so there will be a reckoning. There simply will not be enough older white voters to counter the diversity in the rest of the country. I hate to say it without trying to sound cold but the GOP will have some serious issues when the bulk of the baby boomers die and that is coming soon. Your side isn’t all sunshine and rainbows either. It’s a coalition that can’t even cobble together 50% with a damaged and poorly handled opponent for Christ sake... hell they won by the skin of their teeth and couldn’t even get more votes... I wouldn’t be so incredibly confident if I were you...

[bmw]

You are certainly correct about the rapidly changing demographics of our country. And I'll be honest - I am VERY concerned that in 20 years time, a majority of the residents of our country will support pure socialism. Right now I have to settle for Trump putting on the brakes for 4 or hopefully 8 years, but even I recognize the reality that possibly in my lifetime that our country will look nothing like it did even 10 years ago. And I'm not talking about race; I'm taking about personal freedom and liberty being concepts of the past.

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You are certainly correct about the rapidly changing demographics of our country. And I'll be honest - I am VERY concerned that in 20 years time, a majority of the residents of our country will support pure socialism. Right now I have to settle for Trump putting on the brakes for 4 or hopefully 8 years, but even I recognize the reality that possibly in my lifetime that our country will look nothing like it did even 10 years ago. And I'm not talking about race; I'm taking about personal freedom and liberty being concepts of the past.

This has been happening since the beginning... people in 1787 would be horrified by the behavior of people in 1840 who would be horrified by 1870 who would be horrified by 1900 who would be horrified by 1920 who would be horrified by 1950.... who would be horrified by 1990 who would be horrified by 2020 who will be horrified about 2050... notice a pattern? Nobody likes change and that’s what this really boils down to. In 244 years the country has undergone numerous eras and changes and people have bemoaned and griped and bitched all the way and we are still here and the sun is still rising. It may be that it matters less than we think in the end. But don’t kid yourself that his is somehow some new phenomenon or that these current liberals and progressives (even Bernie isn’t REALLY a socialist) can hold a candle to what was going on in the first half of the 20th century. The original progressives make these folks look like child’s play. The original progressives made massive changes to the country and so what you see even now has little relation to anything in the 18th and 19th centuries...