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The pandemic will be over by May 1

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Re: The pandemic will be over by May 1

Post by Matt » Fri Jan 14, 2022 7:44 am

bmw wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:13 pm
TC Talks wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 9:06 pm
Well we aren't there now, and we won't be in May. BMW is a reckless imbecile. I used to actually have respect for his positions in debate, but not after he allowed his mom to be placed at such a great risk to provide his stupid theories about vaccinations.
Not sure why you're dragging my family into this conversation. I didn't make decisions for my mom. In fact, I encouraged her on about day 5 of her illness to get the monoclonal antibodies, which she decided not to do. And she was skeptical of the vaccine from day 1 - moreso than I was. I have re-worked my entire life the past month and a half in order to assist in giving her the around-the-clock care she needs. She's still on oxygen, though her condition is finally showing significant signs of improvement over the past few days, and her doctor thinks she's finally on the road to a reasonably speedy recovery. You have no idea what my life has been like for the past 6 weeks.

That aside, YOUR crackpot theory seems to be one of a perpetual pandemic without any end game.
I hope that your mom continues to improve health wise. Having said that, you've shared what she went through and have claimed that older people and people with preexisting conditions SHOULD get vaccinated. It is fair game to ask if you had encouraged her to get vaccinated before she got infected. I would be interested in hearing if her opinion has changed since she gone through this, but I respect your decision on whether you want to share or not.



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Re: The pandemic will be over by May 1

Post by bmw » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:38 am

My personal opinion - putting family biases aside (ie, the fact that she's my mom), I would have considered her borderline as to whether getting vaccinated was the right risk vs. reward call. 62 years old and the only underlying condition (at least as defined by the CDC) is a marginally high blood pressure that requires the smallest dose you can take of a blood pressure med. It is the only daily medication she takes.

Her reason for not wanting the vaccine was because we have a family member (her aunt, my great aunt) who was 85 years old who died form a stroke just a few weeks after getting her second shot. The family is kind of divided opinion-wise on whether the vaccine caused it or not (me personally I am of the opinion given her overall condition at the time that that was just a coincidence), but I do know for sure that my mom was generally scared of vaccine side effects. She's HIGHLY sensitive to just about any medication and I know she's had some nasty reactions to various meds before. Whether she ever talked about it with her doctor specifically, I have no idea.

While the subject hasn't come up recently, I remember asking her a few weeks ago if there's anything she wishes she had done different. Her only answer was getting the monoclonal antibodies. It is not a subject I am inclined to bring up again with her.



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Re: The pandemic will be over by May 1

Post by Matt » Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:50 am

Understood, and I appreciate the answer.



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Re: The pandemic will be over by May 1

Post by Robert Faygo » Fri Jan 14, 2022 3:53 pm

Glad to hear the positive prognosis for your mom!

It's interesting to me to see the reaction of those that don't think this thing has a shot of finally flipping over to endemic mode by May.

Will this COVID variety ever disappear? Probably not. Will it come back and have impacts on public health with future outbreaks? Almost unquestionably.

But "learning to live with it" has been something that humans do - and something that we are going to do. Maybe not in the USA in Jan or Feb ... but by May after omicron gets 90% of us? It really COULD happen just like IHME is predicting.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/14/worl ... demic.html


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Re: The pandemic will be over by May 1

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Fri Jan 14, 2022 9:03 pm

bmw wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 8:38 am
My personal opinion - putting family biases aside (ie, the fact that she's my mom), I would have considered her borderline as to whether getting vaccinated was the right risk vs. reward call. 62 years old and the only underlying condition (at least as defined by the CDC) is a marginally high blood pressure that requires the smallest dose you can take of a blood pressure med. It is the only daily medication she takes.

Her reason for not wanting the vaccine was because we have a family member (her aunt, my great aunt) who was 85 years old who died form a stroke just a few weeks after getting her second shot. The family is kind of divided opinion-wise on whether the vaccine caused it or not (me personally I am of the opinion given her overall condition at the time that that was just a coincidence), but I do know for sure that my mom was generally scared of vaccine side effects. She's HIGHLY sensitive to just about any medication and I know she's had some nasty reactions to various meds before. Whether she ever talked about it with her doctor specifically, I have no idea.

While the subject hasn't come up recently, I remember asking her a few weeks ago if there's anything she wishes she had done different. Her only answer was getting the monoclonal antibodies. It is not a subject I am inclined to bring up again with her.
Now I understand why(and maybe on a subconscious level) that you don't like the vaccine. Kind of feel bad. The monoclonal antibodies really do work and is one of the few things that 90% of people(both pro vax and anti vax) agree with.


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Re: The pandemic will be over by May 1

Post by craig11152 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:53 am

Reagan4prez wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:51 am
TC Talks wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:37 pm
Do you realize how ridiculous this dialogue is? You're trying to compare the variant that was killing people at unprecedented rates last year with a variant that has proven itself to stay in the sinuses and give you flu-like symptoms.

Do you know how many unvaccinated people are still dying every week? Time to celebrate death eh?

What a pack of idiots.
1.35 million people die in road crashes every year. 3,700 a day.

https://www.asirt.org/safe-travel/road-safety-facts/

But you pack of idiots still drive! You celebrate death!

#drivingbanorbust

Annual heart disease deaths: 659,000

Annual cancer deaths: 599,000

Annual Covid deaths: 385,000

“Derp, let’s focus on the lowest number!”
Your annual death rate for car accidents is worldwide whereas the rest are USA only. But either you knew that and hoped no one would notice or you really are as stupid as you come across.


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Re: The pandemic will be over by May 1

Post by craig11152 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:58 am

The annual car death rate in the USA is about 38,000. Multiply that by 10 and you have the COVID death rate.
So drive on you "pack of idiots".


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Re: The pandemic will be over by May 1

Post by Reagan4prez » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:33 am

craig11152 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:53 am
Reagan4prez wrote:
Fri Jan 14, 2022 6:51 am
TC Talks wrote:
Thu Jan 13, 2022 6:37 pm
Do you realize how ridiculous this dialogue is? You're trying to compare the variant that was killing people at unprecedented rates last year with a variant that has proven itself to stay in the sinuses and give you flu-like symptoms.

Do you know how many unvaccinated people are still dying every week? Time to celebrate death eh?

What a pack of idiots.
1.35 million people die in road crashes every year. 3,700 a day.

https://www.asirt.org/safe-travel/road-safety-facts/

But you pack of idiots still drive! You celebrate death!

#drivingbanorbust

Annual heart disease deaths: 659,000

Annual cancer deaths: 599,000

Annual Covid deaths: 385,000

“Derp, let’s focus on the lowest number!”
Your annual death rate for car accidents is worldwide whereas the rest are USA only. But either you knew that and hoped no one would notice or you really are as stupid as you come across.
Because COVID isn’t global.

Gotcha.



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Re: The pandemic will be over by May 1

Post by Reagan4prez » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:35 am

craig11152 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 5:58 am
The annual car death rate in the USA is about 38,000. Multiply that by 10 and you have the COVID death rate.
So drive on you "pack of idiots".
So?



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Re: The pandemic will be over by May 1

Post by craig11152 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:41 am

Reagan4prez wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:33 am

Because COVID isn’t global.

Gotcha.
Of course its global you fucking moron. But you can't make a point comparing global auto deaths with US Covid deaths.


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Re: The pandemic will be over by May 1

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:00 am

An immunologist from U-M who has been interviewed on local newscasts here in Metro Detroit and whose analysis has been cited in recent newspaper articles more or less agrees with the comments found in BMW's opening post.

He indicated the relative mildness of Omicron coupled with protection afforded by the vaccine as well as by natural immunity all point to the virus being much less impactful by late 2022. I know I'm oversimplifying his remarks, but I believe that is the gist of his findings. According to him, viruses such as COVID generally produce the most severe impacts in their first couple waves of mutations. Thereafter, the likelihood of severe symptoms diminishes greatly.

https://www.clickondetroit.com/flashpoi ... d-in-2022/


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Re: The pandemic will be over by May 1

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:07 am

BTW, the COVID case count in Sweden absolutely exploded once the calendar hit the New Year. Case count looked great into early December but has been trending sharply upward ever since. That's the bad news.

The good news?

Deaths there, especially when calculated as a percentage of active cases, do remain very, very low (about 0.1% to 0.2% of new cases). Over 70 percent of their population is considered fully vaccinated.

I think those statistics support the case being made by the gentleman at U-M and others. It also suggests the vaccines are effective at providing protection from severe illness in most circumstances.


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Re: The pandemic will be over by May 1

Post by Honeyman » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:37 am

craig11152 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:41 am
Reagan4prez wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:33 am

Because COVID isn’t global.

Gotcha.
Of course its global you fucking moron. But you can't make a point comparing global auto deaths with US Covid deaths.
You're 100% correct, Craig.

But you're violating your own sig line.


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Re: The pandemic will be over by May 1

Post by Reagan4prez » Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:56 am

craig11152 wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:41 am
Reagan4prez wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 8:33 am

Because COVID isn’t global.

Gotcha.
Of course its global you fucking moron. But you can't make a point comparing global auto deaths with US Covid deaths.
Looks like I just did.



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Re: The pandemic will be over by May 1

Post by craig11152 » Sat Jan 15, 2022 12:33 pm

Honeyman wrote:
Sat Jan 15, 2022 9:37 am


You're 100% correct, Craig.

But you're violating your own sig line.
You are so right my good man.

I guess I need a meeting...

Hi, I'm Craig and its been 3 hours since I engaged a troll....


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