Is it time to start denying health care to the unvaccinated?

[TC Talks]

Still hoping for the best possible outcome for your son.

[SoutheastMIViewer]

Allowing Discriminations with Firing or fining someone for not having the vaccine.

Imagine the outrage of firing or fining someone being African American or Asian? Flat out Discrimination, right?

I had this discussion with a liberal and they had the nerve to say you cannot choose your race as your born that way, so its different.

Imagine that, a liberal saying you cannot choose your race but they fully support someone on choosing there gender. hmmmmmmm what is wrong with this picture?

The goal posts are constantly being moved by liberals to fit only there agenda.

Full disclosure. I could careless if someone is gay or even wants to be known as Scooby Doo. Thats there own personal right.

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Trump politicizing masking and getting vaccinated is NEARLY 100% responsible for American resistance to wearing a mask or getting a shot.
Nearly everyone in America had zero problem with the polio vaccine. Another killer disease that you either died from or would often suffer lifelong consequences - such as spending your life flat on your back, paralyzed, in an iron lung which was breathing for you.
Making masking a political statement was total Trump. Amplified by the dinner-time dolts blathering on Fox News.

As the vaccines gain full government approval the Fox News/MAGA embracers will find other dangerous excuses to avoid getting the shot. Just you wait and see.

And of course they’ll fight like hell on passenger jets or at school board meetings to keep kids and staff from having to wear masks. Super stupid!

[SoutheastMIViewer]

Trump politicizing masking and getting vaccinated is NEARLY 100% responsible for American resistance to wearing a mask or getting a shot.
Nearly everyone in America had zero problem with the polio vaccine. Another killer disease that you either died from or would often suffer lifelong consequences - such as spending your life flat on your back, paralyzed, in an iron lung which was breathing for you.
Making masking a political statement was total Trump. Amplified by the dinner-time dolts blathering on Fox News.

As the vaccines gain full government approval the Fox News/MAGA embracers will find other dangerous excuses to avoid getting the shot. Just you wait and see.

And of course they’ll fight like hell on passenger jets or at school board meetings to keep kids and staff from having to wear masks. Super stupid!

How many polio vaccines have you gotten in your lifetime? my guess is either 0 or 1. Why is that? because its a vaccine that actually stops the disease.

So there was no outrage as they took the time to research and make a correct vaccine.

The CNN/Biden embracers will find other excuses to bully and look down those who can actually think for themselves and want to not be like North Korea and have zero freedom. Funny how they says afghan citizens should fight for their country but Smacktalk Americans doing the same.

[km1125]

Funny that you bring up the Polio vaccines. How did that go on the first few versions they were distributing in the 50's??

[Lester The Nightfly]

Delta Air Lines could be 1st of many to hike premiums for unvaccinated employees.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-co ... 32418.html

Other large companies could soon be following Delta Air Lines (DAL) down the runway in charging workers who don't get vaccinated for COVID-19, says the CEO of one of the largest payrolls and HR services companies.

I've got zero problem with this. While I don't know if there's any way to outright deny health care for the unvaccinated they can by golly get in the back of the line for services and they can by golly pay a premium for their choice to engage in risky or unhealthy behavior whatever it is. Delta's policy seems rather benevolent considering many businesses would simply fire someone who represents a risk to their customers and other employees. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

[Matt]

Delta Air Lines could be 1st of many to hike premiums for unvaccinated employees.

https://finance.yahoo.com/news/delta-co ... 32418.html

Other large companies could soon be following Delta Air Lines (DAL) down the runway in charging workers who don't get vaccinated for COVID-19, says the CEO of one of the largest payrolls and HR services companies.

I've got zero problem with this. While I don't know if there's any way to outright deny health care for the unvaccinated they can by golly get in the back of the line for services and they can by golly pay a premium for their choice to engage in risky or unhealthy behavior whatever it is. Delta's policy seems rather benevolent considering many businesses would simply fire someone who represents a risk to their customers and other employees. Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.

Imagine paying $200/month to "own the libs/swamp members". At least they are putting their money where their facebook typing fingers are!

[Honeyman]

Just copied this from my Nextdoor feed. One of many, actually. People are so fucking stupid...

Hmmm the two example cases of bad reaction to ivermectin in which the patients recovered don’t begin to compare to the thousands of deaths the vaccine has caused. I’ll play Russian roulette with ivermectin any day of the week. The H*** spike in ivermectin prescriptions filled is due to its effectiveness against covid 19, especially if taken early.

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

Trump politicizing masking and getting vaccinated is NEARLY 100% responsible for American resistance to wearing a mask or getting a shot.
Nearly everyone in America had zero problem with the polio vaccine. Another killer disease that you either died from or would often suffer lifelong consequences - such as spending your life flat on your back, paralyzed, in an iron lung which was breathing for you.
Making masking a political statement was total Trump. Amplified by the dinner-time dolts blathering on Fox News.

As the vaccines gain full government approval the Fox News/MAGA embracers will find other dangerous excuses to avoid getting the shot. Just you wait and see.

And of course they’ll fight like hell on passenger jets or at school board meetings to keep kids and staff from having to wear masks. Super stupid!

Not just America, but the world. Look at the rebellion right now in Australia. 80-90% of these deaths are Trump. Why is Great Britain nearly out of the crisis? The countries where there was clear messaging about masks and vaccines are winning the war(look at Taiwan).

[audiophile]

It seems this PhD disagrees...

[Honeyman]

Interesting read from Anita Sircar, who is an infectious-disease physician and clinical instructor of health sciences at the UCLA School of Medicine.

My patient sat at the edge of his bed gasping for air while he tried to tell me his story, pausing to catch his breath after each word. The plastic tubes delivering oxygen through his nose hardly seemed adequate to stop his chest from heaving. He looked exhausted.
He had tested positive for the coronavirus 10 days ago. He was under 50, mildly hypertensive but otherwise in good health. Eight days earlier he started coughing and having severe fatigue. His doctor started him on antibiotics. It did not work.
Fearing his symptoms were worsening, he started taking some hydroxychloroquine he had found on the internet. It did not work.
He was now experiencing shortness of breath while doing routine daily activities such as walking from his bedroom to the bathroom or putting on his shoes. He was a shell of his former self. He eventually made his way to a facility where he could receive monoclonal antibodies, a lab-produced transfusion that substitutes for the body’s own antibodies. It did not work.
He finally ended up in the ER with dangerously low oxygen levels, exceedingly high inflammatory markers and patchy areas of infection all over his lungs. Nothing had helped. He was getting worse. He could not breathe. His wife and two young children were at home, all infected with the virus. He and his wife had decided not to get vaccinated.
Last year, a case like this would have flattened me. I would have wrestled with the sadness and how unfair life was. Battled with the angst of how unlucky he was. This year, I struggled to find sympathy. It was August 2021, not 2020. The vaccine had been widely available for months in the U.S., free to anyone who wanted it, even offered in drugstores and supermarkets. Cutting-edge, revolutionary, mind-blowing, lifesaving vaccines were available where people shopped for groceries, and they still didn’t want them.
Outside his hospital door, I took a deep breath — battening down my anger and frustration — and went in. I had been working the COVID-19 units for 17 months straight, all day, every day. I had cared for hundreds of COVID patients. We all had, without being able to take breaks long enough to help us recover from this unending ordeal. Compassion fatigue was setting in. For those of us who hadn’t left after the hardest year of our professional lives, even hope was now in short supply.
Shouting through my N95 mask and the noise of the HEPA filter, I introduced myself. I calmly asked him why he decided not to get vaccinated.
“Well, I’m not an anti-vaxxer or anything. I was just waiting for the FDA to approve the vaccine first. I didn’t want to take anything experimental. I didn’t want to be the government’s guinea pig, and I don’t trust that it’s safe,” he said.
“Well,” I said, “I can pretty much guarantee we would have never met had you gotten vaccinated, because you would have never been hospitalized. All of our COVID units are full and every single patient in them is unvaccinated. Numbers don’t lie. The vaccines work.”
This was a common excuse people gave for not getting vaccinated, fearing the vaccine because the Food and Drug Administration had granted it only emergency use authorization so far, not permanent approval. Yet the treatments he had turned to — antibiotics, monoclonal antibodies and hydroxychloroquine — were considered experimental, with mixed evidence to support their use.
The only proven lifesaver we’ve had in this pandemic is a vaccine that many people don’t want. A vaccine we give away to other countries because supply overwhelms demand in the U.S. A vaccine people in other countries stand in line for hours to receive, if they can get it at all.
“Well,” I said, “I am going to treat you with remdesivir, which only recently received FDA approval.” I explained that it had been under an EUA for most of last year and had not been studied or administered as widely as COVID-19 vaccines. That more than 353 million doses of COVID-19 vaccine had been administered in the U.S. along with more than 4.7 billion doses worldwide without any overwhelming, catastrophic side effects. “Not nearly as many doses of remdesivir have been given or studied in people and its long-term side effects are still unknown,” I said. “Do you still want me to give it to you?”
“Yes” he responded, “Whatever it takes to save my life.”
It did not work.
My patient died nine days later of a stroke. We, the care team, reconciled this loss by telling ourselves: He made a personal choice not to get vaccinated, not to protect himself or his family. We did everything we could with what we had to save him. This year, this tragedy, this unnecessary, entirely preventable loss, was on him.
The burden of this pandemic now rests on the shoulders of the unvaccinated. On those who are eligible to get vaccinated but choose not to, a decision they defend by declaring, “Vaccination is a deeply personal choice.” But perhaps never in history has anyone’s personal choice affected the world as a whole as it does right now. When hundreds and thousands of people continue to die — when the most vulnerable members of society, our children, cannot be vaccinated — the luxury of choice ceases to exist.
If you believe the pandemic is almost over and I can ride it out, without getting vaccinated, you could not be more wrong. This virus will find you.
If you believe I’ll just wait until the FDA approves the vaccine first, you may not live to see the day.
If you believe if I get infected I’ll just go to the hospital and get treated, there is no guarantee we can save your life, nor even a promise we’ll have a bed for you.
If you believe I’m pregnant and I don’t want the vaccine to affect me, my baby or my future fertility, it matters little if you’re not alive to see your newborn.
If you believe I won’t get my children vaccinated because I don’t know what the long-term effects will be, it matters little if they don’t live long enough for you to find out.
If you believe I’ll just let everyone else get vaccinated around me so I don’t have to, there are 93 million eligible, unvaccinated people in the “herd” who think the same way you do and are getting in the way of ending this pandemic.
If you believe vaccinated people are getting infected anyway, so what’s the point?, the vaccine was built to prevent hospitalizations and deaths from severe illness. Instead of fatal pneumonia, those with breakthrough infections have a short, bad cold, so the vaccine has already proved itself. The vaccinated are not dying of COVID-19.
SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes COVID-19, has mutated countless times during this pandemic, adapting to survive. Stacked up against a human race that has resisted change every step of the way — including wearing masks, social distancing, quarantining and now refusing lifesaving vaccines — it is easy to see who will win this war if human behavior fails to change quickly.
The most effective thing you can do to protect yourself, your loved ones and the world is to GET VACCINATED.
And it will work.

[SoutheastMIViewer]

Call Issued For Prayers For Rev. Jesse Jackson And Wife Jacqueline As They Battle COVID-19 while being vaccinated
https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2021/08/25 ... -covid-19/

[SoutheastMIViewer]

"fully vaccinated persons can get infected and transmit the virus at higher rates compared to the original strain of COVID-19"

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2 ... delta.html

[SoutheastMIViewer]

"More vaccinated people are being hospitalized"
https://www.pressherald.com/2021/08/27/ ... perts-say/

While they say now that many have underlying health problems is the reason. Well that's what happen last year for the unvaccinated people too.

[Honeyman]

"fully vaccinated persons can get infected and transmit the virus at higher rates compared to the original strain of COVID-19"

https://www.mlive.com/public-interest/2 ... delta.html

Is that what you got from the article you posted?

Not this:

What we know: All three vaccines remain highly effective in preventing hospitalization and death from COVID-19.


Or this:

Last year, the primary goal set for the vaccines was to reduce the risk of hospitalization and death from COVID. Even with the Delta variant, that goal has been achieved.


Or this:

Fully vaccinated people are 29 times less likely to be hospitalized because of the virus compared to those are unvaccinated, according to a study released by the federal Centers for Disease Control this week.

How about this:

What we know: Vaccinated persons are much better off than a year ago and unvaccinated people are more vulnerable than ever.