Ty Cobb bumped from 1st place

[TC Talks]

It has been an article of faith for nearly a century, as if chiseled onto a tablet by Abner Doubleday himself: The leading hitter in major league history is, and always will be, Tyrus Raymond Cobb.

But history evolves. We know that Doubleday did not, in fact, invent baseball. And as of Wednesday, Josh Gibson will replace Cobb as the leading hitter in the official records of the game. At .372, Gibson’s career batting average eclipses Cobb’s by six points.

Major League Baseball will announce on Wednesday the results of a newly integrated statistical database covering records from Negro Leagues that operated from 1920 to 1948. The formal acceptance of the data comes three-and-a-half years after MLB officially recognized the Negro Leagues as major leagues in December 2020.

“People will be, I don’t know if upset is the word, but they may be uncomfortable with some Negro League stars now on the leaderboards for career and seasons,” said Larry Lester, an author and longtime Negro Leagues researcher who served on the committee.

“Diehards may not accept the stats, but that’s OK. I welcome the conversations at the bar or the barbershop or the pool hall. That’s why we do what we do.”

[moldyoldie]

The problem will be commensurate with comparing apples and oranges. Though individual player talent among star Negro League players are likely on a par with MLB, there'll always be the question of overall player talent and level of competition.

[Bobbert]

The problem will be commensurate with comparing apples and oranges. Though individual player talent among star Negro League players are likely on a par with MLB, there'll always be the question of overall player talent and level of competition.

It probably won't stop here. People are starting to talk about Yu Darvish being a potential Hall of Famer because of his combined 200 wins in Japan and North America (https://www.sportsgrid.com/mlb/video/yu ... -potential). Will Ichiro Suzuki displace Pete Rose as the all-time hit leader?

https://www.mlb.com/news/ichiro-suzuki-amazing-stats
https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... pe01.shtml

And the large amount of Hispanics in the major leagues today will probably lead to lobbying for Mexican League and other south-of-the-border stats being incorporated.

The inclusion of the statistics from the alternative Federal League in the 1910's will probably be used to make the case for the inclusion of stats from other alternative leagues that weren't the result of discrimination.

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The problem will be commensurate with comparing apples and oranges. Though individual player talent among star Negro League players are likely on a par with MLB, there'll always be the question of overall player talent and level of competition.

It probably won't stop here. People are starting to talk about Yu Darvish being a potential Hall of Famer because of his combined 200 wins in Japan and North America (https://www.sportsgrid.com/mlb/video/yu ... -potential). Will Ichiro Suzuki displace Pete Rose as the all-time hit leader?

https://www.mlb.com/news/ichiro-suzuki-amazing-stats
https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... pe01.shtml

And the large amount of Hispanics in the major leagues today will probably lead to lobbying for Mexican League and other south-of-the-border stats being incorporated.

The inclusion of the statistics from the alternative Federal League in the 1910's will probably be used to make the case for the inclusion of stats from other alternative leagues that weren't the result of discrimination.

They really want… make that NEED baseball to be a world sport… it’s long been sliding towards irrelevance. The only one trying to get to who cares first is the NHL and that’s a little more niche than baseball.

[km1125]

Will all those folks who spent their hard-earned dollars to pay for overpriced tickets to see the "best of the best" in the last ~50 years be reimbursed for that wasted expense??

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Will all those folks who spent their hard-earned dollars to pay for overpriced tickets to see the "best of the best" in the last ~50 years be reimbursed for that wasted expense??

Why would they? There have been thousands upon thousands of players… even if you incorporate all the records from anybody who has ever played since the game was invented they were still some of the best of the best.

[thekman]

The problem will be commensurate with comparing apples and oranges. Though individual player talent among star Negro League players are likely on a par with MLB, there'll always be the question of overall player talent and level of competition.

It probably won't stop here. People are starting to talk about Yu Darvish being a potential Hall of Famer because of his combined 200 wins in Japan and North America (https://www.sportsgrid.com/mlb/video/yu ... -potential). Will Ichiro Suzuki displace Pete Rose as the all-time hit leader?

https://www.mlb.com/news/ichiro-suzuki-amazing-stats
https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... pe01.shtml

And the large amount of Hispanics in the major leagues today will probably lead to lobbying for Mexican League and other south-of-the-border stats being incorporated.

The inclusion of the statistics from the alternative Federal League in the 1910's will probably be used to make the case for the inclusion of stats from other alternative leagues that weren't the result of discrimination.

They really want… make that NEED baseball to be a world sport… it’s long been sliding towards irrelevance. The only one trying to get to who cares first is the NHL and that’s a little more niche than baseball.

That $11B in revenue that MLB made last year. More than the NBA, more than the English Premier League. I’d love to be that irrelevant.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... by_revenue

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The problem will be commensurate with comparing apples and oranges. Though individual player talent among star Negro League players are likely on a par with MLB, there'll always be the question of overall player talent and level of competition.

It probably won't stop here. People are starting to talk about Yu Darvish being a potential Hall of Famer because of his combined 200 wins in Japan and North America (https://www.sportsgrid.com/mlb/video/yu ... -potential). Will Ichiro Suzuki displace Pete Rose as the all-time hit leader?

https://www.mlb.com/news/ichiro-suzuki-amazing-stats
https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... pe01.shtml

And the large amount of Hispanics in the major leagues today will probably lead to lobbying for Mexican League and other south-of-the-border stats being incorporated.

The inclusion of the statistics from the alternative Federal League in the 1910's will probably be used to make the case for the inclusion of stats from other alternative leagues that weren't the result of discrimination.

They really want… make that NEED baseball to be a world sport… it’s long been sliding towards irrelevance. The only one trying to get to who cares first is the NHL and that’s a little more niche than baseball.

That $11B in revenue that MLB made last year. More than the NBA, more than the English Premier League. I’d love to be that irrelevant.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... by_revenue

Wouldn’t we all. But attendance and interest in baseball overall has been fading

[Matt]

The problem will be commensurate with comparing apples and oranges. Though individual player talent among star Negro League players are likely on a par with MLB, there'll always be the question of overall player talent and level of competition.

It probably won't stop here. People are starting to talk about Yu Darvish being a potential Hall of Famer because of his combined 200 wins in Japan and North America (https://www.sportsgrid.com/mlb/video/yu ... -potential). Will Ichiro Suzuki displace Pete Rose as the all-time hit leader?

https://www.mlb.com/news/ichiro-suzuki-amazing-stats
https://www.baseball-reference.com/play ... pe01.shtml

And the large amount of Hispanics in the major leagues today will probably lead to lobbying for Mexican League and other south-of-the-border stats being incorporated.

The inclusion of the statistics from the alternative Federal League in the 1910's will probably be used to make the case for the inclusion of stats from other alternative leagues that weren't the result of discrimination.

Man, you seem as racist as your late hero, Ron Cameron.

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

If you want me to cry about an avowed racist getting bumped, the tears aren't coming. Ty was a scum human being and a thug despite how well he played on the field.

Good reading: https://www.amazon.com/Ty-Cobb-Terrible ... 173&sr=8-1

[Lester The Nightfly]

Will all those folks who spent their hard-earned dollars to pay for overpriced tickets to see the "best of the best" in the last ~50 years be reimbursed for that wasted expense??

(cough) The Cubs (cough)

[TC Talks]

Will all those folks who spent their hard-earned dollars to pay for overpriced tickets to see the "best of the best" in the last ~50 years be reimbursed for that wasted expense??

More poor entitled white victims.

[craig11152]

If you want me to cry about an avowed racist getting bumped, the tears aren't coming. Ty was a scum human being and a thug despite how well he played on the field.

Good reading: https://www.amazon.com/Ty-Cobb-Terrible ... 173&sr=8-1

I think you linked the wrong book.
Ty Cobb: A Terrible Beauty mostly refutes the notion of his racism. It is good reading, You should try reading it.

[MotorCityRadioFreak]

You're correct. It was this one. It has been 20 years or so since I read it. Not sure whatever happened to it, but it is gone from my library. https://www.amazon.com/Cobb-Biography-A ... 168&sr=8-1

[moldyoldie]

Here's Cobb's appearance on I've Got a Secret in 1955. You tell me -- "scum human being and a thug" or perfect southern gentleman?