#TuckLeavin

[teetoppz28]

Bye.

https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... mel-tucker

[Matt]

Michigan State should be required to pay every idiotic cent they offered to that clown. They reset the coaching market when that didn't need to happen.

[km1125]

Just wondering how much he got up front vs what was due in the remaining years. I'm sure MSU will have to cough up some more dough for him to hit the road without causing a stir.

[Honeyman]

Michigan State should be required to pay every idiotic cent they offered to that clown. They reset the coaching market when that didn't need to happen.

Terrible take. The university is paying enough considering how far the program will be set back. Not to mention your advocating that this pile of shit gets 80 million dollars.

[TC Talks]

The money quote...

Tucker also violated the "moral turpitude" clause of his contract and harmed the school's public image, Haller said.

"The unprofessional and unethical behavior is particularly egregious given that the Vendor at issue was contracted by the University for the sole purpose of educating student-athletes on, and preventing instances of, inappropriate sexual misconduct," he wrote.

[Matt]

Michigan State should be required to pay every idiotic cent they offered to that clown. They reset the coaching market when that didn't need to happen.

Terrible take. The university is paying enough considering how far the program will be set back. Not to mention your advocating that this pile of shit gets 80 million dollars.

I'll acknowledge I'm not objective generally speaking when it comes to MSU, but that was ALWAYS a terrible contract. That was a contract that moved the needle for qualified coaches by a lot.

Edit: I wouldn't be opposed to any payout going to sexual abuse prevention rather than Tugger.

[craig11152]

As a tax paying part owner of MSU I hope they don't have to pay out.

[Matt]

As a tax paying part owner of MSU I hope they don't have to pay out.

You're not a part owner of any college or university. Major athletic programs are self-sufficient and don't use general fund money.

[craig11152]

As a tax paying part owner of MSU I hope they don't have to pay out.

You're not a part owner of any college or university. Major athletic programs are self-sufficient and don't use general fund money.

It doesn't matter. We own the University and every building and sports facility in it. We own the stadium, we own the coaches desk and the stapler on his desk. The fact that money comes from tickets and TV contracts doesn't make it a "self sufficient" private corporation. My wife works for the school of Dentistry which is also self sufficient. But her paychecks come from the University which we all own.

[TC Talks]

As a tax paying part owner of MSU I hope they don't have to pay out.

You're not a part owner of any college or university. Major athletic programs are self-sufficient and don't use general fund money.

It doesn't matter. We own the University and every building and sports facility in it. We own the stadium, we own the coaches desk and the stapler on his desk. The fact that money comes from tickets and TV contracts doesn't make it a "self sufficient" private corporation. My wife works for the school of Dentistry which is also self sufficient. But her paychecks come from the University which we all own.

It's not quite that simple. Do you receive dividends from the piles of money UofM receives from it's various holdings?

No you don't. The most you have with ownership is a vote in electing the board of regents.

Very similar to how you really have no control over how much the Governor's driveway costs no matter how much better you think you could have gotten the job done.

[Matt]

As a tax paying part owner of MSU I hope they don't have to pay out.

You're not a part owner of any college or university. Major athletic programs are self-sufficient and don't use general fund money.

It doesn't matter. We own the University and every building and sports facility in it. We own the stadium, we own the coaches desk and the stapler on his desk. The fact that money comes from tickets and TV contracts doesn't make it a "self sufficient" private corporation. My wife works for the school of Dentistry which is also self sufficient. But her paychecks come from the University which we all own.

All 19 schools and colleges receive general fund allocations, a tiny amount is the state funding piece. The State of Michigan provides very little to higher education when compared to other states.

Meanwhile, the latest in "As the Tug Cranks": https://www.espn.com/college-football/s ... e-decision

[craig11152]

Who do you people think owns the University? Nobody?
The citizens of the state of Michigan COLLECTIVELY own the University. Just because we don't all get keys to the building doesn't change the fact that the State of Michigan owns the University and the State is owned by we the people. That is why we have elections. To pick the people to run the stuff we collectively own. Governors, presidents, legislatures, Regents, Trustees.Just because we don't have carte blanche with respect to State owned property doesn't mean its not State owned and the State is "we the people".
I don't know why this is even a discussion.
What does the board of regents do and why do the citizens elect them to do it?

[bmw]

I haven't paid any attention to this story until reading the most recent link Matt just posted. Setting aside whether the call was consensual or not and setting aside whether Tucker's actions violated MSU policy or not, who in their right mind - especially somebody in a position such as Mel's - decides that it is a good idea to have phone sex with someone whose profession is that of "sexual awareness speaker"? That just seems like an incredibly stupid decision.

[Matt]

If MSU had the same information they have today in December 2022, March, and July, it is hard to justify firing for cause NOW. #asthetugcranks

[Robert Faygo]

If MSU had the same information they have today in December 2022, March, and July, it is hard to justify firing for cause NOW. #asthetugcranks

Actually, it's pretty easy to justify. Everything kicked up once the USA Today article was published and it all became public. MSU has been through the proverbial ringer since the article. That triggered the firing. Rightly or wrongly, before then silence was golden. Even if Haller knew all of the details - he wasn't free to share it to enough people to make a firing decision. Once the cover was blown, all bets were off.

I'd argue though that the timing of all this is irrelevant.

Had all of this remained private through Oct 6, that USA Today article was still going to be published. Had MSU kept Tugger as coach after that hearing ... the blowback / humiliation / etc. heaped on the University would have been even worse than it's already been. Had they fired him ... all of this still would have happened.

MSU has been acting very deliberately and cautiously at the advice of legal counsel. Haller couldn't make this decision, even though it's his name on the "you're fired" document. This was all done as billable hours ... and all of that takes time to be done the right way. They want out of paying him $77 million dollars.