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Canada's Lax Gun Laws Lead to Another Mass Shooting

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 9:42 pm
by Turkeytop
When will our spineless Liberal government enact some real gun laws?

Shooting at Ottawa wedding leaves two men dead, six hurt


A shooting at an Ottawa wedding on Saturday night left two men dead and six more injured, with guests describing how they hid in the kitchens of a convention centre to escape a young man with a gun.

Ottawa police said they had not yet apprehended a suspect but sped to the scene near the airport after reports of shots fired at about 10:21 p.m. Saturday night.

Paramedics said they rushed the injured – including two men with fatal bullet wounds – to hospital after several people were shot in the parking lot outside the wedding reception

On Sunday, Ottawa Police named the dead men as 26-year-old Said Mohamed Ali, and 29-year-old Abdishakur Abdi-Dahir, both from Toronto.

“This is an active and ongoing investigation. All investigative angles are being explored,” it said in a statement, adding there was no indication the killings were hate-motivated.

The wedding reception, attended by members of the Somali community from Ottawa and beyond, took place at the Infinity Convention Centre, which offers wedding packages with open-concept ballrooms and private bridal suites.

On Sunday, the parking lot where the shooting took place was cordoned off by yellow police tape, with bullet casings and blood spots identified with evidence markers. There was still a strong police presence with Ottawa’s homicide investigation unit, some with gloves and cameras, collecting forensic evidence.

Ottawa police chief Eric Stubbs was among those at the scene on Sunday. He said in an interview on CTV news late Sunday that a connection with “guns and gangs” was being examined by police. He said police were reviewing video surveillance from nearby businesses.

Shaken wedding guests returned on Sunday to try to retrieve their cars from the parking lot but some were told by police to not remove them because they could disturb evidence.

One woman, invited by the bride’s mother, said she had heard gunshots from outside the centre, which she initially thought may have been part of the music. She then saw a man in his 20s come in through the doors with a gun raised in his hand chasing another man.

She said she and other guests hid in the kitchens and the doors were locked to keep the gunman out. Others hid in storage areas, she said, to try to escape the mayhem.

The guest, who The Globe is not naming because she said she had safety fears, said there were around 180 to 200 guests at the Somali wedding. She said she had heard the shooting was gang-related.

“I saw one guy open the door with a gun in his hand chasing someone. He was a young boy, very young – age 25, 26 – chasing someone. One boy is trying to come inside. We went to the kitchen and locked the doors,” she said. “In 25 years in Ottawa I’ve never seen this kind of thing before. It was like a movie. Until now I didn’t stop shaking.”

In the Hampton Inn hotel next to the convention centre, Anita Karp, who was visiting family in Ottawa, said she and her family came back on Saturday night to find a group of wedding guests sheltering in the entrance of the hotel. She said she was told a wounded person had staggered into the hotel bleeding.

Ms. Karp, who is from Vancouver, said she had not expected to find such violence in the capital, and had to step around blood spots on the floor in the hotel entrance.

“We saw drops of blood and someone said someone came in and the person was saying ‘I’m dying, I’m dying,’” said Ms. Karp. “It was unsettling for my granddaughter who is just 14.”

Ottawa Police Duty Acting Inspector Amy Bond said the investigation is still at its early stages – including on how many people were implicated. She made a plea to people, including those near the 2900 block of Gibford Drive where the shooting took place, to come forward if they have information or evidence.

“Investigators continue to seek any surveillance, doorbell or dashcam footage from residents, visitors and businesses who may have been in the area at the time of the incident,” Ottawa police said in a statement.

Ottawa paramedics said they arrived at the crime scene at 10:22 p.m. on Saturday night to find “multiple patients shot.”

“Paramedics transported 6 patients to the hospital, including 2 adult males in critical life threatening condition. All others sustained non-life-threatening injuries. Other patients presented themselves to the hospital,” said Marc-Antoine Deschamps, superintendent, public information, in an e-mail.

People living in the nearby row of neat bungalows with manicured lawns, in Ottawa’s Hunt Club South neighbourhood, told The Globe they heard multiple gunshots on Saturday night.

The killings are the 11th and 12th homicides in Ottawa so far this year.
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/politic ... -six-hurt/

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Re: Canada's Lax Gun Laws Lead to Another Mass Shooting

Posted: Sun Sep 03, 2023 11:57 pm
by Mega Hertz
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Re: Canada's Lax Gun Laws Lead to Another Mass Shooting

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:33 am
by Bryce
She said she had heard the shooting was gang-related.
During the 1920's in Chicago, violence and shootings were deemed to be a gang/organized crime problem by the populace, the press and politicians not on the take. Fast forward to the 2020's and it seems the gangsters aren't to blame, it's the fault of guns.

Re: Canada's Lax Immigration Laws Lead to Another Mass Shooting

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:50 am
by kager
Your are free to move about the country.

Re: Canada's Lax Gun Laws Lead to Another Mass Shooting

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:23 am
by Rate This
Bryce wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:33 am
She said she had heard the shooting was gang-related.
During the 1920's in Chicago, violence and shootings were deemed to be a gang/organized crime problem by the populace, the press and politicians not on the take. Fast forward to the 2020's and it seems the gangsters aren't to blame, it's the fault of guns.
There aren’t many gangsters running around here in the 2020’s but now they’ve been replaced with every Tom Dick and Harry having a gun.

Re: Canada's Lax Gun Laws Lead to Another Mass Shooting

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:11 am
by Bryce
Rate This wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:23 am
Bryce wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:33 am
She said she had heard the shooting was gang-related.
During the 1920's in Chicago, violence and shootings were deemed to be a gang/organized crime problem by the populace, the press and politicians not on the take. Fast forward to the 2020's and it seems the gangsters aren't to blame, it's the fault of guns.
There aren’t many gangsters running around here in the 2020’s but now they’ve been replaced with every Tom Dick and Harry having a gun.
You are soooo out of touch. Unless you think a gangster has to have a name that ends in a vowel and wears a fedora.
The 6 Mile Chedda Grove gang is one of a few top gangs on the radar of the FBI Violent Task Force. Others include the 6 Mile Bloods and Knock Out Boys on the east side, the Latin Counts and Surrenos in southwest Detroit, and the Rollin 60s Crips and 7 Mile Bloods

Re: Canada's Lax Gun Laws Lead to Another Mass Shooting

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:20 am
by Turkeytop
Bryce wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:33 am

During the 1920's in Chicago, violence and shootings were deemed to be a gang/organized crime problem by the populace, the press and politicians not on the take. Fast forward to the 2020's and it seems the gangsters aren't to blame, it's the fault of guns.
More of your Liberal talking points. You must have a direct line toTrudeau's office. Next time you're talking to him, tell him to grow some balls.

Re: Canada's Lax Gun Laws Lead to Another Mass Shooting

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:48 am
by Rate This
Bryce wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:11 am
Rate This wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:23 am
Bryce wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:33 am
She said she had heard the shooting was gang-related.
During the 1920's in Chicago, violence and shootings were deemed to be a gang/organized crime problem by the populace, the press and politicians not on the take. Fast forward to the 2020's and it seems the gangsters aren't to blame, it's the fault of guns.
There aren’t many gangsters running around here in the 2020’s but now they’ve been replaced with every Tom Dick and Harry having a gun.
You are soooo out of touch. Unless you think a gangster has to have a name that ends in a vowel and wears a fedora.
The 6 Mile Chedda Grove gang is one of a few top gangs on the radar of the FBI Violent Task Force. Others include the 6 Mile Bloods and Knock Out Boys on the east side, the Latin Counts and Surrenos in southwest Detroit, and the Rollin 60s Crips and 7 Mile Bloods
There’s a difference between Al Capone and the mafia and street gangs.

Re: Canada's Lax Gun Laws Lead to Another Mass Shooting

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:28 pm
by Bryce
Rate This wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:48 am
Bryce wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:11 am
Rate This wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:23 am
Bryce wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:33 am
She said she had heard the shooting was gang-related.
During the 1920's in Chicago, violence and shootings were deemed to be a gang/organized crime problem by the populace, the press and politicians not on the take. Fast forward to the 2020's and it seems the gangsters aren't to blame, it's the fault of guns.
There aren’t many gangsters running around here in the 2020’s but now they’ve been replaced with every Tom Dick and Harry having a gun.
You are soooo out of touch. Unless you think a gangster has to have a name that ends in a vowel and wears a fedora.
The 6 Mile Chedda Grove gang is one of a few top gangs on the radar of the FBI Violent Task Force. Others include the 6 Mile Bloods and Knock Out Boys on the east side, the Latin Counts and Surrenos in southwest Detroit, and the Rollin 60s Crips and 7 Mile Bloods
There’s a difference between Al Capone and the mafia and street gangs.
You are correct. The current crop of gangsters are more violent. Russian and Albanian included.

Re: Canada's Lax Gun Laws Lead to Another Mass Shooting

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:21 pm
by TC Talks
Bryce wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:28 pm
Rate This wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:48 am
Bryce wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:11 am
Rate This wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:23 am
Bryce wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:33 am
She said she had heard the shooting was gang-related.
During the 1920's in Chicago, violence and shootings were deemed to be a gang/organized crime problem by the populace, the press and politicians not on the take. Fast forward to the 2020's and it seems the gangsters aren't to blame, it's the fault of guns.
There aren’t many gangsters running around here in the 2020’s but now they’ve been replaced with every Tom Dick and Harry having a gun.
You are soooo out of touch. Unless you think a gangster has to have a name that ends in a vowel and wears a fedora.
The 6 Mile Chedda Grove gang is one of a few top gangs on the radar of the FBI Violent Task Force. Others include the 6 Mile Bloods and Knock Out Boys on the east side, the Latin Counts and Surrenos in southwest Detroit, and the Rollin 60s Crips and 7 Mile Bloods
There’s a difference between Al Capone and the mafia and street gangs.
You are correct. The current crop of gangsters are more violent. Russian and Albanian included.
And what exactly is some fat slob in the suburbs with a Rambo fixation going to do about Albanian gangsters?

If gun crimes carried prison time, they could simply arrest them for having guns.

Re: Canada's Lax Gun Laws Lead to Another Mass Shooting

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:22 pm
by TC Talks
TC Talks wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:21 pm
Bryce wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 4:28 pm
Rate This wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:48 am
Bryce wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 11:11 am
Rate This wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:23 am
Bryce wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:33 am
She said she had heard the shooting was gang-related.
During the 1920's in Chicago, violence and shootings were deemed to be a gang/organized crime problem by the populace, the press and politicians not on the take. Fast forward to the 2020's and it seems the gangsters aren't to blame, it's the fault of guns.
There aren’t many gangsters running around here in the 2020’s but now they’ve been replaced with every Tom Dick and Harry having a gun.
You are soooo out of touch. Unless you think a gangster has to have a name that ends in a vowel and wears a fedora.
The 6 Mile Chedda Grove gang is one of a few top gangs on the radar of the FBI Violent Task Force. Others include the 6 Mile Bloods and Knock Out Boys on the east side, the Latin Counts and Surrenos in southwest Detroit, and the Rollin 60s Crips and 7 Mile Bloods
There’s a difference between Al Capone and the mafia and street gangs.
You are correct. The current crop of gangsters are more violent. Russian and Albanian included.
And what exactly is some fat slob in the suburbs with a Rambo fixation going to do about Albanian gangsters?

Self protection is a giant myth. The person most likely to be hurt or killed is the a family member of the gun's owner. It's laughable to argue it.

If gun crimes carried prison time, they could simply arrest Albanian Gangsters for having guns.

Re: Canada's Lax Gun Laws Lead to Another Mass Shooting

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:56 pm
by bmw
TC Talks wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:22 pm
Self protection is a giant myth. The person most likely to be hurt or killed is the a family member of the gun's owner.
This ought to be good. What is your source for that claim?

Re: Canada's Lax Gun Laws Lead to Another Mass Shooting

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:04 pm
by TC Talks
bmw wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:56 pm
TC Talks wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 8:22 pm
Self protection is a giant myth. The person most likely to be hurt or killed is the a family member of the gun's owner.
This ought to be good. What is your source for that claim?
Let's start here:
A bystander’s decision to shoot a man who opened fire at an Indiana mall was a rare occurrence of someone stepping in to try to prevent multiple casualties before police could arrive.

Police on Monday praised the quick actions of 22-year-old Elisjsha Dicken, an armed shopper who killed 20-year-old Jonathan Sapirman after Sapirman killed three people and wounded two others at a mall in the Indianapolis suburb of Greenwood.

“Many more people would have died last night if not for a responsible armed citizen,” police Chief Jim Ison said Monday, repeatedly calling Dicken a “good Samaritan” and his response “heroic.”

It isn’t common for mass shootings to be stopped in such fashion. From 2000 to 2021, fewer than 3% of 433 active attacks in the U.S. ended with a civilian firing back, according to the Advanced Law Enforcement Rapid Response Training Center at Texas State University. The researchers define the attacks as one or more people targeting multiple people.
Time to pull out charts and graphs that prove my point so you can use BMW math to reject the research.

Re: Canada's Lax Gun Laws Lead to Another Mass Shooting

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:06 pm
by TC Talks
Let's throw this in too, more guns = more dead Americans.
Firearm deaths include all deaths involving guns, such as homicide, suicide, and accidents. More people in the US die from suicide involving a firearm than homicides or accidents.

In 2021, there were a total of 48,830 firearm deaths, an increase of 3,608 or 8% from 2020.
https://usafacts.org/data/topics/securi ... rm-deaths/

Re: Canada's Lax Gun Laws Lead to Another Mass Shooting

Posted: Mon Sep 04, 2023 10:07 pm
by Round Six
TC Talks wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2023 9:06 pm
.... More people in the US die from suicide involving a firearm than homicides or accidents ....
Well ... so someone decides to take their life. Would they of not done so if a firearm wasn't available? Or done so by another means? Interesting question.