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Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor

Posted: Sun Apr 09, 2023 4:49 pm
by TC Talks
Here is one of the world's leading researchers on the resurrection. Why do Americans need this to be an actual act, not a symbol for renewal? Interesting perspective.
Tish Harrison Warren: Your book presents the resurrection of Jesus as an actual, physical, historical event, not simply a metaphor or spiritual experience. Why does the idea that this was an actual event matter to you?

N.T. Wright: I’m well aware that many people — including some in churches — have treated the resurrection and Easter as a general way of talking about the rebirth of hope or a spiritual metaphor. Indeed, in the New Testament, the idea of resurrection is sometimes used metaphorically to talk about a new moral life, a life where everything is going to be different. But in the New Testament, that’s always rooted in the claim that when they’re talking about resurrection, they’re talking about something that actually happened.

In the first century, the word for resurrection, the Greek word “anastasis,” was never about a vague sense of possibility or the rebirth of hope or anything like that. It was always about people who had been bodily dead now discovered to be bodily alive. I’ve shown in great detail in the book that all the early Christians for whom we have any evidence, right through until around 150 years after the time of Jesus, when they’re talking about resurrection, that’s what they’re talking about.

It’s beyond question that when the first followers of Jesus used that language about him, they intended to say something definite about his being bodily alive, albeit in a whole new way. He seemed to have gone through death and out the other side, but into a new world in which he was emphatically embodied. Unless we are prepared to acknowledge that, we’re simply not taking their words seriously.

Then, as now, claiming that somebody was alive again — particularly somebody who made the sort of claims that Jesus made or were made about him — was revolutionary. It was dangerous talk. So if people don’t like dangerous talk, then stay away from Easter is my advice.

“The discovery that dead people stayed dead was not first made by the philosophers of the Enlightenment.” That’s obvious, of course, but we sometimes assume that skepticism is a recent phenomenon. How would ancient Jewish audiences and Gentile audiences think about the apostles talking about the resurrection?

Early Christianity was born into a world where everybody knew that its central claim was ridiculous, and the early Christians knew it themselves. It’s not that they thought resurrection might just happen to a few people here and there. But they said it had happened in this case.

This claim seemed absolutely crazy. Ordinary, sober people knew perfectly well that dead people don’t get raised up again.

Many Jewish people for two centuries before Jesus and on for at least the next century believed that in the end, all God’s people would be raised because they believed that the God of Israel, the Creator God, would remake the whole world. But this is about one person being raised from the dead ahead of everybody else.

In the non-Jewish world, there is no evidence that anyone is expecting dead people to come back again. There’s lots of speculation about other places they might go. The Platonic speculation about going off to the Isles of the Blessed and having lovely conversations about philosophy all day. The Stoics believed that there would be a great Phoenixlike conflagration and the whole world would then be reborn.

But most people knew that when you died, that was basically it. That’s why when Paul, in Athens, said this had happened, most of them laughed at him. It didn’t fit their worldview. That’s crucial because you can’t fit the resurrection into the existing worldviews that we’ve got. The resurrection brings its own worldview with it and says, if you’re going to understand the way things are, you start with this and work out. If Jesus really has been raised, then everything is different.

Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:35 pm
by Honeyman
keto wrote:
Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:20 pm
Jesus’ empty tomb is the most provable historical fact in all of history. More accounts if it, from both supporters and opponents, than any other historical act.

Oh, and when Chicago Tribune reporter and skeptic Lee Strobel made it his life’s work to disprove Jesus’ resurrection, he found more proof that supported it than denied it and became a Christian.

https://youtu.be/67uj2qvQi_k

Keep looking and the same will happen to you.
Nobody takes you seriously on this board. Your hateful, racist, mysoginist, posts in your other dozen identities precedes you. We don't want you here. We don't care for you opinions. Please go away.

Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:42 pm
by Rate This
keto wrote:
Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:20 pm
Jesus’ empty tomb is the most provable historical fact in all of history. More accounts if it, from both supporters and opponents, than any other historical act.

Oh, and when Chicago Tribune reporter and skeptic Lee Strobel made it his life’s work to disprove Jesus’ resurrection, he found more proof that supported it than denied it and became a Christian.

https://youtu.be/67uj2qvQi_k

Keep looking and the same will happen to you.
Get lost. Vamoose. Hit the bricks. Beat it. Make like a tree and get the hell out of here.

Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:33 pm
by TC Talks
Please try not to quote him. It forces those of us (who have him on ignore) to see his drivel. Have we determined if he is related to Audiophile?

Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor

Posted: Mon Apr 10, 2023 11:13 pm
by MotorCityRadioFreak
keto wrote:
Mon Apr 10, 2023 8:20 pm
Jesus’ empty tomb is the most provable historical fact in all of history. More accounts if it, from both supporters and opponents, than any other historical act.

Oh, and when Chicago Tribune reporter and skeptic Lee Strobel made it his life’s work to disprove Jesus’ resurrection, he found more proof that supported it than denied it and became a Christian.

https://youtu.be/67uj2qvQi_k

Keep looking and the same will happen to you.
Well, we agree for once.

Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:10 pm
by Matt
TC Talks wrote:
Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:33 pm
Please try not to quote him. It forces those of us (who have him on ignore) to see his drivel. Have we determined if he is related to Audiophile?
Alt account?

Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:34 pm
by Rate This
Matt wrote:
Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:10 pm
TC Talks wrote:
Mon Apr 10, 2023 9:33 pm
Please try not to quote him. It forces those of us (who have him on ignore) to see his drivel. Have we determined if he is related to Audiophile?
Alt account?
That’s the question of the hour…

Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:45 pm
by audiophile
That's funny. I only have one account, and frankly I have a lot better things to do.

Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:49 pm
by Matt
audiophile wrote:
Tue Apr 11, 2023 6:45 pm
That's funny. I only have one account, and frankly I have a lot better things to do.
Like what, throw rocks at gays?

Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:01 pm
by audiophile
Working on my tan.

Given your hatred of cops, I wondered if you grew up in the same hood as LL.

Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor

Posted: Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:56 pm
by Matt
audiophile wrote:
Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:01 pm
Working on my tan.

Given your hatred of cops, I wondered if you grew up in the same hood as LL.
I don't hate cops. I also don't blindly worship them either.

Tan? Working on your jebus blowtorches?

Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor

Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:38 pm
by Turkeytop
keto wrote:
Sun Apr 16, 2023 9:36 pm
Matt wrote:
Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:56 pm
audiophile wrote:
Tue Apr 11, 2023 7:01 pm
Working on my tan.

Given your hatred of cops, I wondered if you grew up in the same hood as LL.
I don't hate cops. I also don't blindly worship them either.

Tan? Working on your jebus blowtorches?
Whoa, easy on the cop-speak.

Apparently, a former troll was known for that kind of talk. Tread lightly.
8ball wrote:
Fri Nov 18, 2022 12:00 pm
I can’t stand Ross Jones’ delivery, and he barely opens his mouth when speaks, but the content of this report is exemplary.

https://youtu.be/IUwguQrxHrU
dchildress wrote:
Sun Oct 30, 2022 4:40 pm
Nobody’s reporting that Nancy was attacked with a hammer, too. Took hundreds of shots to the face, but since there was no visible change, no charges.
marsbar wrote:
Thu Sep 08, 2022 9:04 pm
It’s human, and it’s alive.

When a pregnant woman is murdered, the perpetrator is charged with two killings.
renu60 wrote:
Tue May 24, 2022 10:57 am
This is the height of disgusting!

https://www.city-journal.org/philadelph ... conference

And yes, they're coming after your children.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ArOQF4kadHA

They said so!
Reagan4prez wrote:
Wed Jan 26, 2022 7:24 am
So, public education is a joke.

The “leaders” simply want to indoctrinate students, want to keep parents from seeing what teachers are doing, and collect a paycheck for 9 months of “work.”

Now, they want your mom teaching.

I wish I was kidding.

https://www.wxyz.com/news/national/scho ... r-teachers
Bidengirl wrote:
Fri Apr 30, 2021 2:23 pm
The reason why child porn is wrong is because you inflict permanent pain, trauma, and damage to another human being.

It's the reason why abortion is wrong, too.
MrReason wrote:
Mon Jan 11, 2021 11:55 am
Democrats know only five ways to do anything:

1. Waste time.

2. Waste money.

3. Remove rights.

4. Violate their own rules.

5. Be ignorant.
factchecker wrote:
Thu Jun 24, 2021 10:41 am
As the resident factchecker here, allow me to state a fact.

Whether it's an embryo, a fetus, an infant, a toddler, a teenager, or any other age...it's all part of human development.
lovinlife101 wrote:
Thu Nov 19, 2020 7:25 am
This can not be overstated:

RECORD EVERY INTERACTION YOU HAVE WITH LAW ENFORCEMENT!!!

https://www.abc12.com/2020/11/17/corunn ... g-officers

They absolutely hate cameras and any form of accountability to the public, and this is why.

The, now former, police chief tells the man “I don’t give a fuck about your rights.”

This is how they feel about you, articulated for everyone to hear.

Re: Jesus "arose from the dead". It isn't just a metaphor

Posted: Sat Apr 22, 2023 2:40 am
by stopnswop2
There were hundreds of people that gave sworn testimony that they met him after he was crucified. That is a historical fact.