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Another Global Warming "Lie" Exposed

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Another Global Warming "Lie" Exposed

Post by Bryce » Tue Feb 07, 2017 10:53 am

Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data

A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... z4Y0zA6sWL
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After getting caught fiddling with climate data back in 2013, they are caught again. Why? Look to the profit motive. Look to the ability to regulate.


There sure isn't as much excitement, fawning, or adulation over our first orange president as there was over our first black one. Evidently, orange really isn't the new black.

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Re: Another Global Warming "Lie" Exposed

Post by NS8401 » Tue Feb 07, 2017 11:32 am

Bryce wrote:
Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data

A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... z4Y0zA6sWL
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After getting caught fiddling with climate data back in 2013, they are caught again. Why? Look to the profit motive. Look to the ability to regulate.
So now you're against profit? Are you becoming a communist Bryce?

I doubt there is a conspiracy here... it's a little over the top...



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Re: Another Global Warming "Lie" Exposed

Post by audiophile » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:37 pm

I think Bryce was referring to Carbon Tax, Energy Credits, Green Grants, etc.

Doesn't sound that over the top to me.


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Re: Another Global Warming "Lie" Exposed

Post by Turkeytop » Tue Feb 07, 2017 4:39 pm

He's using that angle to get my interest. :lol



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Re: Another Global Warming "Lie" Exposed

Post by Spellcheck5000 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 5:16 pm

Bryce wrote:
Exposed: How world leaders were duped into investing billions over manipulated global warming data

A high-level whistleblower has told this newspaper that America’s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) breached its own rules on scientific integrity when it published the sensational but flawed report, aimed at making the maximum possible impact on world leaders including Barack Obama and David Cameron at the UN climate conference in Paris in 2015.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... z4Y0zA6sWL
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After getting caught fiddling with climate data back in 2013, they are caught again. Why? Look to the profit motive. Look to the ability to regulate.
Back for a quick dip into the Buzzboard pool, and can't help but reply to this one. The conservative right's shrieking inability to understand a damn thing about climate change never ceases to make me laugh.

Before looking at profit motives and regulatory ability as Bryce breathlessly pontificates, perhaps it's best to first dig into the claims themselves. Fortunately not much digging is required to see it for the equestrian fertilizer it is.

First and foremost, it's published by the Daily Mail. For those unaware, the Daily Mail is (to put it generously) a sensationalist tabloid. Anything written by them should be scrutinized intensely.

Secondly, the author of this tome is David Rose. He is to climate change reporting what farting into a flute is to chamber music.

So now that we have established that this well-ground rat-sausage of an article was produced at the Daily Mail sausage factory by a worker known for peeing in the meat-vats, let's dive into the actual substance of his claims.

As expected, the Daily Mail's analysis and conclusions are just flat-out wrong. Here's some actual refutation of the claims Mr. Rose extruded through the balloon-knot he calls a mind:

https://www.carbonbrief.org/factcheck-m ... ature-rise
http://www.eenews.net/stories/1060049630
http://variable-variability.blogspot.co ... -Karl.html
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/07/scie ... -data.html
http://bigstory.ap.org/article/3fc5d49a ... n-defended
https://arstechnica.com/science/2017/02 ... ated-data/

Bottom line; Rose took a procedural complaint from a retired NOAA scientist that didn't even work with the data in question while he was employed, and blew it into a conspiracy theory that said retired scientist doesn't even agree with. Since then, the NOAA dataset has been independently verified multiple times and every one of the Daily Mail's conclusions invalidated.

So no scandal, no conspiracy. Climate change is still a real thing, the vast majority of scientists still agree. You may now return to your regularly scheduled program.



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Re: Another Global Warming "Lie" Exposed

Post by audiophile » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:06 pm

The earth has a lot more sequestered carbon under the USA than man even imagine. It makes man's contribution minuscule.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... gases.html

Now this shouldn't be taken an excuse to be wasteful - just carbon "worry" is way overblown.


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Re: Another Global Warming "Lie" Exposed

Post by NS8401 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:32 pm

audiophile wrote:The earth has a lot more sequestered carbon under the USA than man even imagine. It makes man's contribution minuscule.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/ ... gases.html

Now this shouldn't be taken an excuse to be wasteful - just carbon "worry" is way overblown.
It won't be released rapidly... it will occur through volcanic eruptions over millions of years.... trapped in a molton caldron of carbon (say that fast..) it's harmless... released into the air it could cause massive global warming... this only further supports the theory that human emissions are bad, it does not discredit it... just because this is a larger amount then we have put out really proves nothing at all...



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Re: Another Global Warming "Lie" Exposed

Post by audiophile » Fri Feb 17, 2017 7:52 pm

My father said it was hotter than heck in 1930's. I'm sorry I just don't buy the hype.

Besides the ice core graphs show CO2 lags the temperatures, not the other way around. This is because the ground stores lots of carbon and is released by decomposition in warmer temperatures.


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Re: Another Global Warming "Lie" Exposed

Post by SoupySez » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:06 pm

It was pretty damn hot in the 50's too. I remember we would have a few 100+ degree days in summer. My mom used to make us come in and sit for awhile if it got that hot. Told us she didn't want us getting sunstroke.



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Re: Another Global Warming "Lie" Exposed

Post by NS8401 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 8:31 pm

Weather vs. climate... saying the 50's or 30's were hot is weather...

Increases in average surface temperature over time is climate...



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Re: Another Global Warming "Lie" Exposed

Post by Bryce » Sat Feb 18, 2017 11:54 am

Spellcheck5000 wrote: So no scandal, no conspiracy. Climate change is still a real thing, the vast majority of scientists still agree. You may now return to your regularly scheduled program.
Of course climate change is a real thing. Good thing too or we'd be living on a ice cube here in Michigan. What is up for debate is the amount that is actually caused by man made activity and cow farts.

Maybe we could get those cows for fart into flutes for ya.


There sure isn't as much excitement, fawning, or adulation over our first orange president as there was over our first black one. Evidently, orange really isn't the new black.

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Re: Another Global Warming "Lie" Exposed

Post by NS8401 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:43 pm

Bryce wrote:
Spellcheck5000 wrote: So no scandal, no conspiracy. Climate change is still a real thing, the vast majority of scientists still agree. You may now return to your regularly scheduled program.
Of course climate change is a real thing. Good thing too or we'd be living on a ice cube here in Michigan. What is up for debate is the amount that is actually caused by man made activity and cow farts.

Maybe we could get those cows for fart into flutes for ya.
How could you possibly argue adding ANY amount of CO2 could have no effect?



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Re: Another Global Warming "Lie" Exposed

Post by Bryce » Sat Feb 18, 2017 12:59 pm

NS8401 wrote: How could you possibly argue adding ANY amount of CO2 could have no effect?
Greenhouse gases form about 3% of the atmosphere by volume, 97% of which are water vapor and clouds. C02 comprises 0.037% of our atmosphere. Of that 0.037, what portion can be attributed to man?


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Re: Another Global Warming "Lie" Exposed

Post by NS8401 » Sat Feb 18, 2017 1:51 pm

Bryce wrote:
NS8401 wrote: How could you possibly argue adding ANY amount of CO2 could have no effect?
Greenhouse gases form about 3% of the atmosphere by volume, 97% of which are water vapor and clouds. C02 comprises 0.037% of our atmosphere. Of that 0.037, what portion can be attributed to man?
Your numbers are wrong but at any rate they are rising... we have ice samples and other data the show an increase in CO2 corresponding with the industrial revolution... so there has definitely been an increase... your arguing essentially that if you add water to a bucket and then let more water slowly trickle in then the water level won't rise... it's not particularly logical...

While a small part of the atmosphere is greenhouse gases it does not take much of an increase in it to start having an impact on climate and the planet in general... water vapor is not a greenhouse gas directly... the CO2 is the main driver that makes water vapor act like a greenhouse gas... clouds are made up of water vapor too so you can't say "water vapor and clouds are greenhouse gasses"...

CO2 is 93.457% of the .1% of trace gases in the atmosphere... as a whole the atmosphere contains: 78% is Nitrogen, 21% is Oxygen and .9% is Argon FYI...
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Re: Another Global Warming "Lie" Exposed

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Feb 18, 2017 7:32 pm

Let's see....

Detroit Metro Airport hit 69 today.

Car thermometer in Royal Oak briefly hit 70.

Escanaba reached 62 degrees.

It was so damn warm around mid-afternoon that I almost put on shorts!!! Also, some insects were out. Just saw a stink bug of all things crawling on my sofa! (How on earth he got in the house...I don't know.)

Carolinas and northern Georgia have been in the 70's for the better part of the past 30 days.

Something screwy is definitely going on climate wise. Let's not forget that Southern Alaska spent much of last winter in the 30's & 40's with very little snowfall.


Thanks, corporate radio, for finally tossing Nickelback to the curb. Now can you please do the same for Shinedown? THEY SUCK!!!

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