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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by mtburb » Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:47 am

Apologies for resurrecting such an old thread, but I decided to put this in here.

Here's what the Omnicom lineup in Canton/Northville/Plymouth looked like in 1990.

2 MTV
3 CNN Headline News
4 The Weather Channel
5 VH1
6 Lifetime
7 PASS
8 local access
9 AMC
13 WFUM
15 local access
17 Cinemax
19 The Movie Channel
21 HBO
22 WJBK
23 WDIV
24 WXYZ
25 CBET
26 WKBD
27 WTVS
28 WGPR
29 WXON
30 WGN
31 TBS
32 The Family Channel
33 ESPN
34 Nickelodeon
35 USA
36 CNN
37 A&E
38 Financial? News Network
39 TNN
41 TNT
42 TLC
43 BET
44 C-SPAN
45 Discovery Channel
48 Showtime
49 Disney Channel

http://www.cantonpl.org/canton-observer ... year]=1990

The link above takes you to the first year that the Canton newspaper started running TV listings.

However, I more remember the Wyandotte lineup in 2000/2001 and it went something like this:

2 WJBK
3 WWJ
4 WDIV
5 WKBD
6 The Weather Channel
7 WXYZ
8 WDWB
9 CBET
10 WGTE
11 TV Guide Channel
12 WTVS
13 WADL
14 WPXD
15 local access
16 local access
17 local access
18 local access
19 local access
20 local access
21 local access
22-30 I believe these were scrambled pay channels.
31 ESPN
32 ESPN2
33 ESPN Classic
34 Speedvision
35 Fox Sports Detroit
36 CNN
37 ?
38 ?
39 ?
40 C-SPAN
41 C-SPAN2
42 HGTV
43 TLC
44 Discovery Channel
45 ?
46 ?
47 ?
48 ?
49 ?
50 History Channel
51 Disney Channel
52 Nickelodeon
53 ?
54 Cartoon Network (I think)
55 Fox Family Channel
56 TNT
57 ?
58 WGN
59 USA
60 TBS
61 ?
62 Lifetime
63 ?
64 ?
65 ?
66 TNN
67 ?
68 MTV
69 ?
70 Comedy Central
71 Sci-Fi


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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by WOHO » Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:52 am

To pick-up on 1980 vintage Buckeye CATV, yes, two cables, A and B. The B cable had the stereo simulcasts for MTV in 82 or so, plus the Detroit FM stations, it had a Toledo Police scanner on one FM channel, and the NOAA Weather Radio as an FM channel as well. They would sell you a splitter and a 75ohm to 300 adapter for your FM tuner and it was like $1 or $3 a month for it. I had one of the first VHS-HiFi decks, very nice, with sliding adjustable L/R audio level controls and LED VU meters, 3 input audio switch to allow for simulcast input from your Stereo FM tuner only with the VCR tuner for video, other line level audio/video input, or tuner completely. Had fixed audio level or manually adjustable audio level too. Loved that deck.

Actually used the simulcast feature once to use the stereo audio from WJR (when they were AM stereo) as the audio along with televised Tigers game; unfortunately, put the AM stereo tuner too close to the TV set, so less than perfect audio from Ernie and Paul back in 1986/87. Now if I can just find that tape, and a working VHS HiFi VCR again to dub it to DVD, I'd love to re-live those days.

Because of poorly made TV's with leaky 300 ohm cables, 11 and 13 were never used for 11 & 13 or there was ghosting, so Buckeye had their video graphics and beautiful music in the background with scrolling weather, time, ads and other info crawl along the bottom and scroll up the main screen in bright colors.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:11 pm

WOHO wrote:To pick-up on 1980 vintage Buckeye CATV, yes, two cables, A and B. The B cable had the stereo simulcasts for MTV in 82 or so, plus the Detroit FM stations, it had a Toledo Police scanner on one FM channel, and the NOAA Weather Radio as an FM channel as well. They would sell you a splitter and a 75ohm to 300 adapter for your FM tuner and it was like $1 or $3 a month for it. I had one of the first VHS-HiFi decks, very nice, with sliding adjustable L/R audio level controls and LED VU meters, 3 input audio switch to allow for simulcast input from your Stereo FM tuner only with the VCR tuner for video, other line level audio/video input, or tuner completely. Had fixed audio level or manually adjustable audio level too. Loved that deck.
The days of manual adjustments are certainly long gone today. I'm sure that was a challenge to set up. My mom could never figure it out at all.
Actually used the simulcast feature once to use the stereo audio from WJR (when they were AM stereo) as the audio along with televised Tigers game; unfortunately, put the AM stereo tuner too close to the TV set, so less than perfect audio from Ernie and Paul back in 1986/87. Now if I can just find that tape, and a working VHS HiFi VCR again to dub it to DVD, I'd love to re-live those days.
I bet. Earlier broadcasts of NBC's "Friday Night Videos" also had the same deal. I don't think too many stations in the Toledo era ever took advantage of this but I'm sure it was a costly deal. I recall my mom's VHS copy of the made-for-TV film "The Ewok Adventure" had a blur running throughout reminding viewers to tune into a Detroit FM station to get the simulcast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2_QWQi3qbc
Because of poorly made TV's with leaky 300 ohm cables, 11 and 13 were never used for 11 & 13 or there was ghosting, so Buckeye had their video graphics and beautiful music in the background with scrolling weather, time, ads and other info crawl along the bottom and scroll up the main screen in bright colors.
I would watch these all day long! Of course these were provided by Buckeye's parent company!
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The machine they used during the late 80's was developed up in Canada called the "Telidon", the graphics it produced looks similar to these videos below. Apparently the original use of this system was for two-way interactivity with the customers themselves, but The Blade only used it passively to present a slideshow of ads, news, weather and what-not. I do recall the programmers got a lot of pleasure out of designing ads such as an animated sequence where a paperboy on a bike is shown throwing a copy of The Blade at the camera. The execution though was very limited as objects and text had to be rendered in real time and it could taken nearly 30 seconds to a minute for the ad to be complete (normal text was much faster).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nJGQmHCh_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LbvcDnsYDI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u34_kBafqs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN8l4ALTfIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6DVBPmo4Co
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjMUe7hkwRs
https://vimeo.com/68098468



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Mega Hertz » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:05 am

We had THE worst cable line-up known to man where I grew up. I don't remember the system name, but it was based in Sterling Heights, and when we got service in 1990, this was our line-up

2 WJBK
4 WDIV
5 Govt. Acc.
6 WKBD
7 WXYZ
8 WXON
9 CBET
10 WGPR
11 ESPN
12 Local Access
13 WTVS
16 PASS
17 The Movie Channel
18 Showtime
19 TBS
20 WGN
22 CNN
23 USA

That was IT. No MTV. No Weather Channel. Things changed in 1994. We had:

14 TNN
15 VH1
25 Nickelodeon
26 TNT
27 A&E
28 Family Channel
30 E! (Might still have been known as Movietime)
31 Lifetime
32 ESPN 2

Talk about a cheap-o line up!


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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:32 pm

Mega Hertz wrote:We had THE worst cable line-up known to man where I grew up. I don't remember the system name, but it was based in Sterling Heights, and when we got service in 1990, this was our line-up

2 WJBK
4 WDIV
5 Govt. Acc.
6 WKBD
7 WXYZ
8 WXON
9 CBET
10 WGPR
11 ESPN
12 Local Access
13 WTVS
16 PASS
17 The Movie Channel
18 Showtime
19 TBS
20 WGN
22 CNN
23 USA

That was IT. No MTV. No Weather Channel. Things changed in 1994. We had:

14 TNN
15 VH1
25 Nickelodeon
26 TNT
27 A&E
28 Family Channel
30 E! (Might still have been known as Movietime)
31 Lifetime
32 ESPN 2

Talk about a cheap-o line up!
Poor soul. I think Bedford Cable just across the state like for me was like this in the 80's.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid= ... 9953&hl=en
http://www.toledoblade.com/Michigan/200 ... hises.html
http://www.toledoblade.com/Michigan/200 ... vider.html



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by ftballfan » Wed Nov 18, 2015 9:22 am

Mega Hertz wrote:We had THE worst cable line-up known to man where I grew up. I don't remember the system name, but it was based in Sterling Heights, and when we got service in 1990, this was our line-up

2 WJBK
4 WDIV
5 Govt. Acc.
6 WKBD
7 WXYZ
8 WXON
9 CBET
10 WGPR
11 ESPN
12 Local Access
13 WTVS
16 PASS
17 The Movie Channel
18 Showtime
19 TBS
20 WGN
22 CNN
23 USA

That was IT. No MTV. No Weather Channel. Things changed in 1994. We had:

14 TNN
15 VH1
25 Nickelodeon
26 TNT
27 A&E
28 Family Channel
30 E! (Might still have been known as Movietime)
31 Lifetime
32 ESPN 2

Talk about a cheap-o line up!
Also no WADL!


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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by organman95 » Sat Nov 28, 2015 2:01 pm

ftballfan wrote:Does anyone have old cable lineups to share?
I found a couple from 1990 (via a newspaper TV guide I found online): http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...rontpage&hl=en (there likely are channels missing; the only channels listed are those in the guide itself)
Ludington, MI
2 - TNT
3 - WCMW (PBS) Manistee
4 - Nickelodeon
5 - WFRV (ABC) Green Bay
6 - WTBS (IND) Atlanta
7 - WPBN (NBC) Traverse City
8 - CBN Family Channel
9 - WWTV (CBS) Cadillac
10 - WGN (IND) Chicago
13 - WZZM (ABC) Grand Rapids
14 - Showtime
16 - The Movie Channel
17 - Disney Channel
18 - PASS
19 - HBO
20 - Cinemax
21 - AMC
24 - ESPN
25 - USA Network
26 - TNN
28 - WGVC (PBS) Grand Rapids
35 - Discovery Channel
36 - WLUK (NBC) Green Bay
Go back a bit to May 3, 1985:

2 - WBAY
3 - WCMW
4 - Nickelodeon / A&E
5 - WFTV
6 - WTBS
7 - WPBN
8 - CBN
9 - WWTV
10 - WGN
11 - CNN2
12 - Local Programming
13 - WZZM
14 - Showtime
15 - Playboy Channel
16 - TMC (U-49)
17 - Disney (U-50)
18 - P.A.S.S
19 - HBO (U-52)
21 - Home Television Network
22 - WMVS
23 - Music TV
24 - ESPN (U-64)
25 - USA (U-65)
26 - TNN (U-66)
27 - WITI (U-67)
29 - WGTU (U-69)
31 - WTMJ (U-71)
32 - CNN
36 - WLUK (U-76)



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by phillyb » Sat Dec 05, 2015 11:00 am

The machine they used during the late 80's was developed up in Canada called the "Telidon", the graphics it produced looks similar to these videos below. Apparently the original use of this system was for two-way interactivity with the customers themselves, but The Blade only used it passively to present a slideshow of ads, news, weather and what-not. I do recall the programmers got a lot of pleasure out of designing ads such as an animated sequence where a paperboy on a bike is shown throwing a copy of The Blade at the camera. The execution though was very limited as objects and text had to be rendered in real time and it could taken nearly 30 seconds to a minute for the ad to be complete (normal text was much faster).
The technology used was called Teletext, and for a time in the early-mid 1980s it was the Next Big Thing in television technology. It used a few lines in the vertical blanking signal to send out text. There were at least two different, incompatible systems being tried out: Telidon, from Canada was one, another was a British import called Ceefax. There was also a third I think but I don't remember its name.

The idea was to have people subscribe to what would be a TV-transmitted "newspaper" which could be more up to date than what the printed papers offered. There was some limited interactivity, but with only a few lines in a TV signal to work with, that feature was never used much. Teletext was heavily invested in and hyped for a while. But the FCC, as it did at first with AM Stereo, refused to mandate a system and decreed that the "market" would decide which system would win out. And the public never got enthused about getting a newspaper through their TV. By 1988, the whole experiment had fizzled, Closed Captioning had come along to use some of the VBI lines which had previously been used by Teletext and the popularization of the Internet a few years later finished off whatever was left of Teletext.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by mtburb » Sat Dec 05, 2015 2:27 pm

phillyb wrote:
The machine they used during the late 80's was developed up in Canada called the "Telidon", the graphics it produced looks similar to these videos below. Apparently the original use of this system was for two-way interactivity with the customers themselves, but The Blade only used it passively to present a slideshow of ads, news, weather and what-not. I do recall the programmers got a lot of pleasure out of designing ads such as an animated sequence where a paperboy on a bike is shown throwing a copy of The Blade at the camera. The execution though was very limited as objects and text had to be rendered in real time and it could taken nearly 30 seconds to a minute for the ad to be complete (normal text was much faster).
The technology used was called Teletext, and for a time in the early-mid 1980s it was the Next Big Thing in television technology. It used a few lines in the vertical blanking signal to send out text. There were at least two different, incompatible systems being tried out: Telidon, from Canada was one, another was a British import called Ceefax. There was also a third I think but I don't remember its name.

The idea was to have people subscribe to what would be a TV-transmitted "newspaper" which could be more up to date than what the printed papers offered. There was some limited interactivity, but with only a few lines in a TV signal to work with, that feature was never used much. Teletext was heavily invested in and hyped for a while. But the FCC, as it did at first with AM Stereo, refused to mandate a system and decreed that the "market" would decide which system would win out. And the public never got enthused about getting a newspaper through their TV. By 1988, the whole experiment had fizzled, Closed Captioning had come along to use some of the VBI lines which had previously been used by Teletext and the popularization of the Internet a few years later finished off whatever was left of Teletext.
The third one was actually called "Electra" or something like that. It aired during the overnight hours on TBS until 1993.


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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Sat Dec 05, 2015 6:21 pm

phillyb wrote:
The machine they used during the late 80's was developed up in Canada called the "Telidon", the graphics it produced looks similar to these videos below. Apparently the original use of this system was for two-way interactivity with the customers themselves, but The Blade only used it passively to present a slideshow of ads, news, weather and what-not. I do recall the programmers got a lot of pleasure out of designing ads such as an animated sequence where a paperboy on a bike is shown throwing a copy of The Blade at the camera. The execution though was very limited as objects and text had to be rendered in real time and it could taken nearly 30 seconds to a minute for the ad to be complete (normal text was much faster).
The technology used was called Teletext, and for a time in the early-mid 1980s it was the Next Big Thing in television technology. It used a few lines in the vertical blanking signal to send out text. There were at least two different, incompatible systems being tried out: Telidon, from Canada was one, another was a British import called Ceefax. There was also a third I think but I don't remember its name.

The idea was to have people subscribe to what would be a TV-transmitted "newspaper" which could be more up to date than what the printed papers offered. There was some limited interactivity, but with only a few lines in a TV signal to work with, that feature was never used much. Teletext was heavily invested in and hyped for a while. But the FCC, as it did at first with AM Stereo, refused to mandate a system and decreed that the "market" would decide which system would win out. And the public never got enthused about getting a newspaper through their TV. By 1988, the whole experiment had fizzled, Closed Captioning had come along to use some of the VBI lines which had previously been used by Teletext and the popularization of the Internet a few years later finished off whatever was left of Teletext.
Teletext had more of a following in Europe though, and still does for a few die-hards (noticed there's an Android app though none of the pages are in English as they're for mostly channels within the European continent (Germany has WAY too many).



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by tvradiojunkie » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:09 am

Mega Hertz wrote:We had THE worst cable line-up known to man where I grew up. I don't remember the system name, but it was based in Sterling Heights, and when we got service in 1990, this was our line-up

2 WJBK
4 WDIV
5 Govt. Acc.
6 WKBD
7 WXYZ
8 WXON
9 CBET
10 WGPR
11 ESPN
12 Local Access
13 WTVS
16 PASS
17 The Movie Channel
18 Showtime
19 TBS
20 WGN
22 CNN
23 USA

That was IT. No MTV. No Weather Channel. Things changed in 1994. We had:

14 TNN
15 VH1
25 Nickelodeon
26 TNT
27 A&E
28 Family Channel
30 E! (Might still have been known as Movietime)
31 Lifetime
32 ESPN 2

Talk about a cheap-o line up!
What a shitty lineup!!! No Nickelodeon, even, until '94.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Tue Dec 29, 2015 2:17 pm

tvradiojunkie wrote:
Mega Hertz wrote:We had THE worst cable line-up known to man where I grew up. I don't remember the system name, but it was based in Sterling Heights, and when we got service in 1990, this was our line-up

2 WJBK
4 WDIV
5 Govt. Acc.
6 WKBD
7 WXYZ
8 WXON
9 CBET
10 WGPR
11 ESPN
12 Local Access
13 WTVS
16 PASS
17 The Movie Channel
18 Showtime
19 TBS
20 WGN
22 CNN
23 USA

That was IT. No MTV. No Weather Channel. Things changed in 1994. We had:

14 TNN
15 VH1
25 Nickelodeon
26 TNT
27 A&E
28 Family Channel
30 E! (Might still have been known as Movietime)
31 Lifetime
32 ESPN 2

Talk about a cheap-o line up!
What a shitty lineup!!! No Nickelodeon, even, until '94.
That is shitty.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Splouge » Fri Mar 25, 2016 1:14 pm

I can only remember as far as about 2010. But the only changes I can remember were from 2011. That was the year I discovered Comcast had religious channels in the 390s, I think 399 was named "W33BY" but it was WDWO. Now its name is "WDWO1" WADL-DT2 Antenna TV was on 295 and abbreviated as "ANTEN" until it was removed for WADL's HD simulcast. Those are the only changes I can remember that Comcast itself made.


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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by bmw » Wed Apr 27, 2016 11:02 pm

Kinda scary that I remember these channel numbers, having not had cable in over 20 years, but growing up as a kid in the 1980s here is what I remember:

Tawas/Oscoda

2 USA
3 QVC
4 TBS
5 HBO*
6 WGN
7 WNEM 5
8 PBS (WCMU)
9 Fox (I think 50)
10 WEYI 25
11 WBKB 11
12 WJRT 12
13 Advertising (with 104.7 WKJC background)
14 The Movie Channel*
15 Cinnemax*
16 Nickelodeon
17 The Disney Channel*
18 The Weather Channel
19 Showtime*
20 ?
21 PASS sports*
22 C-Span
23 TNT
24 Discovery

There were 36 channels total, but we got the cheap plan and there was a filter installed on our line with a cutoff at channel 23. I remember we could get Discovery just barely watchable.

The * channels were premium channels which we didn't pay for, but I remember a trick for mostly getting rid of the scrambling - put our TV on channel 4 instead of channel 3, and while that put all the channel numbers off by 1 on the converter box, with perfect fine-tuning on the converter box and on the tv you could almost get rid of the blinking lines.

I even remember our cable box:

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Splouge » Mon May 16, 2016 4:30 pm

bmw wrote:Kinda scary that I remember these channel numbers, having not had cable in over 20 years, but growing up as a kid in the 1980s here is what I remember:

Tawas/Oscoda

2 USA
3 QVC
4 TBS
5 HBO*
6 WGN
7 WNEM 5
8 PBS (WCMU)
9 Fox (I think 50)
10 WEYI 25
11 WBKB 11
12 WJRT 12
13 Advertising (with 104.7 WKJC background)
14 The Movie Channel*
15 Cinnemax*
16 Nickelodeon
17 The Disney Channel*
18 The Weather Channel
19 Showtime*
20 ?
21 PASS sports*
22 C-Span
23 TNT
24 Discovery

There were 36 channels total, but we got the cheap plan and there was a filter installed on our line with a cutoff at channel 23. I remember we could get Discovery just barely watchable.

The * channels were premium channels which we didn't pay for, but I remember a trick for mostly getting rid of the scrambling - put our TV on channel 4 instead of channel 3, and while that put all the channel numbers off by 1 on the converter box, with perfect fine-tuning on the converter box and on the tv you could almost get rid of the blinking lines.

I even remember our cable box:

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