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Old cable lineups

Post by ftballfan » Wed Jul 02, 2014 12:56 pm

Does anyone have old cable lineups to share?
I found a couple from 1990 (via a newspaper TV guide I found online): http://news.google.com/newspapers?ni...rontpage&hl=en (there likely are channels missing; the only channels listed are those in the guide itself)
Ludington, MI
2 - TNT
3 - WCMW (PBS) Manistee
4 - Nickelodeon
5 - WFRV (ABC) Green Bay
6 - WTBS (IND) Atlanta
7 - WPBN (NBC) Traverse City
8 - CBN Family Channel
9 - WWTV (CBS) Cadillac
10 - WGN (IND) Chicago
13 - WZZM (ABC) Grand Rapids
14 - Showtime
16 - The Movie Channel
17 - Disney Channel
18 - PASS
19 - HBO
20 - Cinemax
21 - AMC
24 - ESPN
25 - USA Network
26 - TNN
28 - WGVC (PBS) Grand Rapids
35 - Discovery Channel
36 - WLUK (NBC) Green Bay

Manistee, MI
4 - WPBN (NBC) Traverse City
6 - WCMW (PBS) Manistee
7 - WLUK (NBC) Green Bay
9 - WZZM (ABC) Grand Rapids
10 - WWTV (CBS) Cadillac
11 - ESPN
12 - WTBS (IND) Atlanta
13 - WGN (IND) Chicago
14 - USA Network
16 - Nickelodeon
17 - Discovery Channel
21 - TNN
24 - HBO
25 - Showtime
26 - Cinemax
27 - Disney Channel
28 - The Movie Channel
29 - PASS

Hart, MI
2 - TNN
3 - WGN (IND) Chicago
4 - WPBN (NBC) Traverse City
6 - WGVC (PBS) Grand Rapids
7 - ESPN
9 - CBN Family Network
10 - WWTV (CBS) Cadillac
11 - WLUK (NBC) Green Bay
12 - WTBS (IND) Atlanta
13 - WZZM (ABC) Grand Rapids
16 - Disney Channel
21 - HBO
22 - The Movie Channel

I mostly remember the Manistee lineup in the early 2000s and it went like this:
2 – Local Access
3 – WGKI (FOX) Cadillac
4 – WPBN (NBC) Traverse City
5 – WTBS (IND) Atlanta
6 – WCMW (PBS) Manistee
7 – Prevue Guide
8 – WGTU (ABC) Traverse City
9 – QVC
10 – WWTV (CBS) Cadillac
11 – Real Estate
12 – SuperStation WGN
13 – Toon Disney
14 – TLC
15 – ESPN
16 – Disney Channel
17 – Lifetime
18 – VH1
19 – TBN
20 – USA
21 – E!
22 – Sneak Prevue (PPV)
23 – A&E Network
24 – MTV
25 – TNN
26 – Nickelodeon
27 – Weather Channel
28 – Comedy Central
29 – Animal Planet
30 – Headline News
31 – ESPN2
32 – AMC
33 – CNN
34 – Discovery Channel
35 – Fox Sports Detroit
36 – TNT
37 – CNBC
38 – HGTV
39 – PPV1
40 – PPV2
41 – Showtime
42 – Starz
43 – Encore
44 – HBO2
45 – HBO
46 – Cinemax
47 – MoreMax
48 – History Channel
49 – Fox News Channel
50 – Cartoon Network
51 – TCM
52 – FX
53 – MSNBC
54 – Sci-Fi
55 – Food Network
56 – CMT
96 – C-SPAN2
97 – C-SPAN
98 – Outdoor Life Network
99 – Fox Family Channel

http://news.google.com/newspapers?nid=b ... page&hl=en - This shows Ludington received three ABC and FOX stations as late as 1997.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by phillyb » Wed Jul 02, 2014 3:30 pm

From memory---North Ottawa Cablevision line-up, circa 1983:
2-WZZM, ABC
3-WWMT (or was it then WKZO?) CBS
4-WUHQ, ABC
5-WKBD Detroit
6-Satellite Programming Network, SPN, which showed French soft-core porn at night, unscrambled, on Basic Cable! Replaced by Turner Network's music video channel, whose name escapes me, around 1983. This later became VH-1 when Turner sold the channel to MTV.
7-Public Access
8-WOTV, NBC
9-WGN Chicago
10-TBS
11-CNN, I think
12-WGVC, PBS
13-Public access
14-A&E
15-HBO (scrambled)
16-C-Span
17-Disney (scrambled, DIS was a pay channel at the time)
18-USA
19-Cinemax? (scrambled)
20-Weather channel ( at first, just a locally-generated graphic showing time, temperature, and a crude printout of a forecast).
21-CNN Headline news
22-MTV
98-scrambled
99-scrambled
Channel 13 was very much messed up by over-the-air interference from WZZM Grand Rapids, and channels 18 and 20 got lots of interference from two-way dispatch traffic. The station now known as WXMI did not come on the air until 1984, IIRC. The station now known as WTLJ did not come on the air until 1987.

I can't guarantee the total accuracy of the above, it was a long time ago and my memory of what was where is a bit faded.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by ftballfan » Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:30 pm

Surprised Wisconsin channels were never carried in Grand Haven. For years (I think until WGKI signed on), Ludington received more stations from Wisconsin than from Michigan.


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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by sfpcc » Wed Jul 02, 2014 9:15 pm

Partial Southfield Cable from 1982 (and Later)
MTV 41 (I couldn't stop watching that thing.)
USA 45
HBO 5
VH1 48 (Came around early 1985)
TBS 32
Cinemax 19
Showtime 22
Nickelodeon 40
WGN 26? (I might be wrong on that)
CNN 44
I can't remember ESPN or A&E.

If I'm wrong please tell me.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by RingtailedFox » Thu Jul 03, 2014 11:53 pm

i'll just drop these here....

http://discuss.channelcanada.com/showth ... l-Line-ups
http://www.mcquarrieweb.ca/TVGuideWebsite/index.php

The links above have additional cable lineup changes throughout the 1980s and 1990s for Windsor, Leaminton, Chatham, Sarnia, London and St. Thomas.

We had the following stations in Windsor listed in the TV guides (and on cable in Leamington, Windsor, or both) at various points until 2009:

Trillium Cable Lineup Snapshots from 1989:

WINDSOR:
02 CHSC (now called The Shopping Channel)
03 CIII-TV-29 Global
04 CPAC
05 WDIV-TV Detroit
06 WJBK-TV Detroit (CBS)
07 Ontario Legislative Assembly
08 WXYZ-TV Detroit
09 News
10 CBET-TV Windsor
11 Local Community Channel
12 CBEFT-TV Windsor
13 CKCO-TV Kitchener
14 MuchMusic
15 CNN
16 TSN
17 A&E
18 TNN
19 CNN Headline News (now called HLN)
20 Telelatino
21 Family Channel
22 First choice
23 CICA (TVO)
24 CFPL-TV London
25 CHCH-TV Hamilton
26 CFMT-TV Toronto
27 CITY-TV Toronto
28 YTV
29 Stock Market Reports / Broadcast News
30 Weather Now (now called The Weather Network)
31 Vision TV
32 WXON-TV Detroit
33 WKBD-TV Detroit
34 WTVS-TV Detroit
35 La Chaine Francaise (now called TFO)
37 WGTE-TV Toledo
38 Genesis Digital TV
39 Chinavision
40 WGPR-TV Detroit (now WWJ-TV)
43 WDHO-TV Toledo (now WNWO)
44 WTVG-TV Toledo
45 WTOL-TV Toledo
46 CFTM-TV Montreal

LEAMINGTON:
02 WJBK-TV
03 CIII-TV
04 WDIV-TV
05 WKBD-TV
06 WUAB-TV
07 WXYZ-TV
08 Community Channel
09 CBET-TV
10 CHCH-TV
11 CBEFT-TV
12 CICA-TV
13 CKCO-TV
14 News
15 CPAC
16 WGPR-TV
17 WTVS-TV
18 WXON-TV
19 WDHO-TV (now WNWO)
20 WTOL-TV
21 WTVG-TV
22 CFMT-TV
23 TSN
24 MuchMusic
25 La Chaine Franciase (now TFO)
26 First Choice
27 CITY-TV
28 CFPL-TV
29 CHSC (now The Shopping Channel0
30 WEWS-TV
31 WJKW-TV
33 WKYC-TV


I remember the following in the 1990s:

44 WXON
45 CFMT
46 WTBS (dropped by Cogeco in 2010)
47 WGN-TV (not Superstation WGN, the local "WGN Channel 9")
48 WSBK
49 KTLA
50 Broadcast News
51 WTVS
53 WKBD
54 CHCH
55 WOIO (Chatham and Leamington only)
56 WKYC (Chatham and Leamington only)
57 WEWS (Chatham and Leamington only)
60 WPIX (Chatham only)
61 WUAB (Chatham and Leamington only)
62 CBLN (Chatham only)


from 2000 to 2009 (when they were dropped, the Toledo stations held these positions:

70 WTOL
71 WNWO
72 WTVG


I remember when we had WTOL at 70, WTVG at 71, WNWO at 72, and the cleveland stations being bumped in their entirety from cable (but still listed in the TV guides until 2009). CFPL was replaced with CHWI when it signed on back in 1993 (initially as a semi-satellite, but now it's almost a stand-alone station). I will miss how we used to have all the superstations from 46 to 50, too... WGN, WSBK, WTBS and KTLA... didn't get WPIX until after 2004.

I also remember WOIO 19 being removed from listings in 1993. Oddly enough, no mention of WLNS-TV 6 and WILX-TV 10 from Lansing, WFUM (now WCMZ) 28 from Flint, or WBGU 27 from Bowling Green... and I am unsure if WUPW 36 was ever listed...

The only cleveland staton listed in TV Guides today is WUAB 43, and it's carried only in London and St. Thomas, nowhere near Windsor and Leamington! WOIO seems to have an on-again off-again relationship with Rogers Digital Cable in St. Thomas as well. WTOL and WTVG are still listed for over-the-air viewers as well, though...

So, yeah... remembering "the fallen" from our guides and cable lineups in Windsor, Leamington, and Essex County:

03 WKYC
05 WEWS
08 WJ(K)W
10 CFPL
19 WOIO
24 WNWO
30 WGTE
61 WCLQ (now WQHS-DT)


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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Marcus » Fri Jul 04, 2014 1:00 pm

I didn't know that WJET-TV from Erie was on the Sarnia system at one time. I knew Superchannel was on 25 before it merged with First Choice. Our company was Maclean Hunter at the time. In February of 1983 Canada's original three Pay Channels were First Choice, Superchannel, and C Channel.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by rugratsonline » Fri Jul 04, 2014 8:35 pm

RingtailedFox wrote: 62 CBLN (Chatham only)
Strange that CBLN was carried in the back of the cable "bus", considering that the CBC transmitter serving Chatham repeated CBLN.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Deleted User 10525 » Mon Jul 07, 2014 6:55 pm

Well I spent most of my Childhood in front of the TV. 8o . In Bedford twp Michigan we had what was called Bedford Cable. I think its real name was Phoenix cable services, in the summer of 97 it was sold to an Ohio based company called Frontier Vision, That didn't last long as it was sucked up by Adelphia then lastly Comcast before Buckeye Cable in Toledo crossed the Stateline and bought them out. This was Bedford Cable's line through most of its life. I remember they switched the channels around the last couple years we had it before Buckeye came in. I remember Weather went to 49 but I cant remember the rest but here is the original line up.

What I remember:

2- WJBK
3- Community access
4-WDIV
5- Ch 50 out of Detroit, cant remember the calls
6-?
7-WXYZ
8-WNWO(or WDHO before)
9- CBC
10- C-span prior WXON
11- WTOL
12- WGTE
13.- WTVG
14- Empty, later pay perview
15- The movie channel
16- Disney
17- Cinemax
18- Playboy- Always joke at school about ch 18
19- Showtime(no one I know had this channel)
20- AMC and Infomercials
21- HBO
22-Pass sports
23- Empty later A&E
24-Nickalodean
25- CNN?
26- INSP
27-Family channel
28. TBS superstation
29- Empty
30-The weather channel
31- ESPN
32- MTV
33-VHI
34. ?
35- empty
36- Empty later
37-USA
38-CNBC?
39- ?
40- Lifetime
41- Headline News
42-Discovery
43- TNN
44-?
45- Comedy Central
46- ?
47- TNT

I remember in Toledo at my Grandparents house they had the A&B switch.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Mon Jul 07, 2014 9:38 pm

1027BrianFM wrote:Well I spent most of my Childhood in front of the TV. 8o . In Bedford twp Michigan we had what was called Bedford Cable. I think its real name was Phoenix cable services, in the summer of 97 it was sold to an Ohio based company called Frontier Vision, That didn't last long as it was sucked up by Adelphia then lastly Comcast before Buckeye Cable in Toledo crossed the Stateline and bought them out.
It was probably for the best. I recall Bedford Cable had terrible services if only because I recall popping by their main office on Lewis to see nobody home.

The sad part though is losing a few Detroit channels they got to have in the late 90's like WWJ 62 and WADL 38, I recall seeing those on someone's set when I use to go up to see a friend of my mother's who lived just across the state line.
This was Bedford Cable's line through most of its life. I remember they switched the channels around the last couple years we had it before Buckeye came in. I remember Weather went to 49 but I cant remember the rest but here is the original line up.

What I remember:

2- WJBK
3- Community access
I recall this as a pretty blocky graphic set of screens when they were using it as a bulletin board most of the time.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RN8QBQdHkHA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=84YuoUOh8ug
4-WDIV
5- Ch 50 out of Detroit, cant remember the calls
That would be WKBD
6-?
This spot probably ended up with WUPW (36 Toledo).
7-WXYZ
8-WNWO(or WDHO before)
9- CBC
10- C-span prior WXON
Nice they had them.
11- WTOL
12- WGTE
13.- WTVG
14- Empty, later pay perview
Normally abbreviated as "PPV".
15- The movie channel
16- Disney
17- Cinemax
18- Playboy- Always joke at school about ch 18
19- Showtime(no one I know had this channel)
Well at least you knew of those channels. Buckeye never gave us Playboy back in the day so the whole "scrambled porn" phenomenon wasn't present down here.
20- AMC and Infomercials
I think the first time I've heard of AMC was because I saw it on Bedford Cable in '91. At that time Buckeye hadn't carried the channel yet and it would be a few years before we had WGN too (and Cinemax came much later). I sorta felt like I missed out on AMC's early days but at least they had Bob Dorian when I did watch it. For WGN, it was already the end of the road for the 'superstation'.
21- HBO
22-Pass sports
23- Empty later A&E
Buckeye would add A&E around '87 when they came out with the new cable boxes.
24-Nickalodean
25- CNN?
26- INSP
27-Family channel
Previously also called "CBN Cable Network".
28. TBS superstation
29- Empty
30-The weather channel
One thing I recall from Bedford's Weather Channel was noticing the obsolete use of a specific computer they had for the local forecast segments that is known as the "WeatherStar III" (known mostly for it's white text over blue background). They continuted using that through the 90's when Buckeye already upgraded to the WeatherStar 4000 (using color graphics and other upgrades). Most smaller market cable outlets had used this earlier system to display the local forecasts into the 2000's but eventually got replaced by later systems.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux5pevaMQNE
31- ESPN
32- MTV
33-VHI
34. ?
35- empty
36- Empty later
37-USA
38-CNBC?
39- ?
40- Lifetime
41- Headline News
42-Discovery
43- TNN
44-?
45- Comedy Central
46- ?
47- TNT
I recall WGN was on either 34 or 35. Bedford would eventually pick up Prevue Channel though at the time I had saw it up there, it had already become the TV Guide Channel with this look.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UGU3b32kZmk

Buckeye use to had Prevue/TV Guide Channel from 1989 to '99 when they decided on their own program guide channel they still bother with.
I remember in Toledo at my Grandparents house they had the A&B switch.
That was too common for at least two decades down here. I think it lasted from 1980 to 97 when they finally dropped the use of dual-line cables in favor of everything on one side finally. It was finally great to have a 'normal' cable operator down here I felt.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by 80sTalkRadioFan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:10 pm

Bedford Cable had WWOR-TV New York's Superstation on channel 34 but eventually replaced it with WGN. If I'm not mistaken, MTV was on channel 47 for a few years, then did it move to 55? I don't remember Buckeye's entire lineup from the A/B days but a few highlights included WGPR-TV 62 on 9A, later replaced by CNN. WTVS: 8A, WBGU: 8B. WJBK: 10B, WXYZ: 11B, WDIV: 12B and WKBD 13B. In the early 80s Buckeye didn't offer WWJ/WDIV (channel 4) except when 13 preempted NBC programming, though friends with other cable systems had it. Used to love going to visit friends and watching "Bowling For Dollars."



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Deleted User 10525 » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:13 pm

OMG Yes! There service was terrible!! The Cable Boxes had these remotes that never worked right and they took a 9v battery. Funny story about that is, we had 2 TV's. The Box broke on the TV upstairs and my parents came home with a new one, hooked it up and turns out we got Cinemax and HBO free because they didn't take the chips out from the previous person. :lol:

AMC aired part time, mostly movies from like the 40's and 50's. Other part of the time they aired this cooking show or infomercial with these kitchen gadgets. Wasn't Ronco. Yeah I remember the blue screen on the weather channel, it was like that where we would always go on vacation in South Carolina too. Except there's had the high and the low tide information. :lol:



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by 80sTalkRadioFan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:14 pm

I don't ever remember TV 20 WXON being available full-time on Buckeye but every once in a while in the mid to late 80s, they would put it on CBET's channel after the Windsor station signed off for the night. I think CBET was either channel 6B or 9B at the time.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Deleted User 10525 » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:15 pm

MTV was always on 32. 10 was WXON but was dropped in favor of CSPAN, was not happy at the time because 20 had all the good cartoons. I was like 9-10 at the time.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by 80sTalkRadioFan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:32 pm

WUAB channel 43 from Cleveland was on Buckeye for a while in the late 80s early 90s but they often had problems getting a clear signal so they eventually replaced it. Guess there wasn't a satellite feed of WUAB back then.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Deleted User 10525 » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:37 pm

interesting.



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