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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by 80sTalkRadioFan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 10:39 pm

1027BrianFM wrote:MTV was always on 32. 10 was WXON but was dropped in favor of CSPAN, was not happy at the time because 20 had all the good cartoons. I was like 9-10 at the time.
Oh yeah, forgot about MTV being on 32. My brother really wanted TV 20 as well since he used to watch "Mighty Mouse" before we switched from a 50 foot tower to cable. I have a feeling your story about getting free premium channels was quite common. It was a lot more involved to actually order or cancel them in the 80s and 90s. Now we're spoiled, we call or click and the changes are immediate.



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Post by 80sTalkRadioFan » Mon Jul 07, 2014 11:04 pm

Wow! Definitely brings back some memories of that setup at my dad's house in Lambertville. A couple more channels I remember from Bedford TV, though I don't remember exactly when they were this way: WBGU on 44 and I think I remember watching WGPR/WWJ-TV 62 in Bedford on either channel 10 or 37 but that may have been later during the Adelphia/Comcast days.



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Post by Deleted User 10525 » Tue Jul 08, 2014 12:27 am

Yep, we didn't have 62 when it was WGPR but they picked it up when it became WWJ-TV. WBGU, don't think we got that but I don't remember a PBS station from Detroit. I lived in Temperance, then we moved to a different house in Lambertville.

Ch 26 was INSP, I think they might have had oral Roberts on there. Anyway, I remember they had this show on there where people got healed, someone in a wheel chair could walk again etc.. . Yeah, if you wanted to change your channels you had to take the box down to the office and they went in back and changed it for you. The office was on Lewis and Dean rd, I think its a real estate office now.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by RingtailedFox » Tue Jul 08, 2014 11:19 am

1027BrianFM wrote: 5- Ch 50 out of Detroit, cant remember the calls
That would be WKBD (We're Kaiser Broadcasting Detroit, after their founders/original owners)


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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Tue Jul 08, 2014 8:07 pm

It makes the TOCOM boxes Buckeye used look decent (especially the remotes).

By the way, here's at least what Buckeye Cable's channel-lineup was like around 1982 or '83. The information might not be totally correct but it's the best of my memory and what I can find online on it.

2A WDHO ch. 24 Toledo (ABC)
2B WJBK ch. 2 Detroit (CBS)
3A WGTE ch. 30 Toledo (PBS)
WTVS ch. 56 Detroit (PBS)
Back during this time, WGTE use to not come on the air in the mornings unless for school programming, so until they signed-on in the afternoons during the summer, WTVS was given the space very briefly.
3B Showtime
The Movie Channel
Essentially this channel was reserved for the premium channels to be received with, present on the screen was a discrambled picture of Showtime as I remember it. The Disney Channel was also added by the summer of '84.
4A WTVG ch. 13 Toledo (NBC)
4B WDIV ch. 4 Detroit (NBC)
5A Nickelodeon
Cable 5 (nightly movies, specials and other programming)
5B MTV
6A WKBD ch. 50 Detroit (Ind.)
6B ??
7A WTOL ch. 11 Toledo (CBS)
7B WXYZ ch. 7 Detroit (ABC)
8A WBGU ch. 57 Bowling Green (PBS) (this was eventually replaced with The Nashville Network in '83)
8B CBET ch. 9 Windsor (CBC)
9A CNN
9B WTBS ch. 17 Atlanta (Ind.)
10A ESPN
10B The University of Toledo Community Cablevision (in later years this channel would often show The Learning Channel and The Weather Channel at certain periods of the day)
11A The Blade CableNews Channel (News & Weather) http://www.vintagetoledotv.com/buckeye- ... y/17761371
11B The Blade CableNews Channel (Sports & Financial News)
12A WUAB ch. 43 Cleveland (Ind.) http://www.vintagetoledotv.com/random-p ... y/17761255
This was eventually replaced with Cable Health Network (the predecessor to Lifetime) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lifetime_E ... Background
12B The Realty Channel http://www.vintagetoledotv.com/buckeye- ... y/17513324
CBS Cable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBS_Cable
I think after these two tanked, a network called "Daytime" was picked up.
13A The Blade CableNews Channel (Sports & Financial News)
13B The Blade CableNews Channel (News & Weather)
80sTalkRadioFan wrote:WUAB channel 43 from Cleveland was on Buckeye for a while in the late 80s early 90s but they often had problems getting a clear signal so they eventually replaced it. Guess there wasn't a satellite feed of WUAB back then.
That might be the case, though this was also at a time when WUAB's owners were trying to position it as a "superstation" for Ohio by getting it onto cable outlets outside Northeastern Ohio. In subsequent years Buckeye would pick up Indians baseball games from WUAB to air on channel 5A (Nickelodeon most of the time) as well as WDIV's Tigers coverage. This pre-preemption of Nickelodeon use to annoy the hell out of me as a kid because sometimes it cut in during a movie on "Special Delivery" and I never knew how it ended.



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Post by Deleted User 10525 » Tue Jul 08, 2014 10:21 pm

I used to love The Blades Classified channel! I think it was on like 13b and 13a, that's right. I remember The Tocom boxes real well.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by RingtailedFox » Wed Jul 09, 2014 4:51 pm

wait, what is with those listings that have "channel 2A" or "channel 3B"? and how would "Cable radio" work? not trying to derail the thread... just genuine questions that i think are relevant to the topic..


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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Wed Jul 09, 2014 9:57 pm

1027BrianFM wrote:I used to love The Blades Classified channel! I think it was on like 13b and 13a, that's right.
Pretty much, 11 would be the news and 13 was the classified ads, at least after 1985 when they updated the service to use colorful computer graphics which led to some nifty animated text and drawings I can recall like a paperboy throwing a copy of The Blade to get you to subscribe to the paper.
http://vintagetoledotv.squarespace.com/ ... y/18275881
http://vintagetoledotv.squarespace.com/ ... y/18322137
http://vintagetoledotv.squarespace.com/ ... y/18055455
http://vintagetoledotv.squarespace.com/ ... y/18628820

I believe the system used to generate the graphics on these channels was called "NAPLPS/Telidon".
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Telidon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NAPLPS

Here's some examples....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN8l4ALTfIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nJGQmHCh_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LbvcDnsYDI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTPL4Db-iFA
I remember The Tocom boxes real well.
I recall a few times breaking the keys off on the box because I pressed them too much!
RingtailedFox wrote:wait, what is with those listings that have "channel 2A" or "channel 3B"? and how would "Cable radio" work? not trying to derail the thread... just genuine questions that i think are relevant to the topic..
In Buckeye's defense, they really didn't plan well ahead on expansion of their services. The "A" and "B" was literally (and physically) two coax cables that were fed into your house. They would be connected to a switchbox (like the ones you get at Radio Shack) marked "A" and "B" and you simply had to switched between either cable to watch whatever station you wanted on channels 2 to 13. That was the method they had used so we never had a physical cable box at all during those early years (mainly the ones that used dials or buttons to switch to a channel on them). This is how confusion it seemed, and it only got more unusual once we finally got boxes in '87. We kept the same dual-line cables coming in though this time the A/B switchbox was replaced with an "A/B" button on the remote (don't believe there was one on the box but I could be wrong). It was OK though if you didn't have a box, you still had to fiddle with the switcher while watching those higher channels on a Cable-Ready set (and programming a VCR also got complicated if you had a show on separate channels that couldn't be switched around because of that hurdle). This all ended in around 1998 when the newer boxes came in and they re-wired the whole town to use a single line finally.

For the second. That was basically an FM service cable companies across the country once operated in the 80's mainly as a service to customers to provide stereo simulcasts of channels like HBO or MTV. Prior to the mid 80's stereo broadcasting through analog signals was not yet perfected or rolled out, and the only way to get a stereo reception of a program was to utilize FM radio, either from actual broadcast stations or by the cable operator themselves. Some programs on regular TV like "Friday Night Videos" was offered this way. Early stereo VCRs often had "Simulcast" controls that allowed you to wire up an FM receiver to dub the audio from the radio while recording the video signal. Often specials or certain movies offered such FM Simulcast options.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2_QWQi3qbc

MTV often made it a selling point to convince viewers to contact their cable company for more info on a stereo receiver hookup. Basically I'm sure this would be a flat antenna wire simply screwed into the back of the receiver anyway (my mom tried this once though it's obviously illegal at the time).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SnrQaWWsnDs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m18Dh8lBhuM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cgGpwjwLHXg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=auROhqjSKLI
http://vintagetoledotv.squarespace.com/ ... ry/5302631



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Marcus » Thu Jul 10, 2014 1:40 pm

Ontario systems from the 1980's up until about 1994 or so. A big shuffle happened around that time.

MACLEAN HUNTER - Part of Toronto, Part of London, Part of Hamilton, St.Catharines, Niagara Falls, Sarnia, Wallaceburg, Guelph, Owen Sound, Part of Ottawa
ROGERS - Part of Hamilton, Part of Toronto, Part Of London, Part Of Ottawa, Kitchener/Waterloo area, Brantford, Stratford
TRILLIUM - Windsor, Leamington, Chatham, Barrie, Part Of Toronto



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by mtburb » Sat Nov 07, 2015 11:47 am

Apologies for resurrecting such an old thread, but I decided to put this in here.

Here's what the Omnicom lineup in Canton/Northville/Plymouth looked like in 1990.

2 MTV
3 CNN Headline News
4 The Weather Channel
5 VH1
6 Lifetime
7 PASS
8 local access
9 AMC
13 WFUM
15 local access
17 Cinemax
19 The Movie Channel
21 HBO
22 WJBK
23 WDIV
24 WXYZ
25 CBET
26 WKBD
27 WTVS
28 WGPR
29 WXON
30 WGN
31 TBS
32 The Family Channel
33 ESPN
34 Nickelodeon
35 USA
36 CNN
37 A&E
38 Financial? News Network
39 TNN
41 TNT
42 TLC
43 BET
44 C-SPAN
45 Discovery Channel
48 Showtime
49 Disney Channel

http://www.cantonpl.org/canton-observer ... year]=1990

The link above takes you to the first year that the Canton newspaper started running TV listings.

However, I more remember the Wyandotte lineup in 2000/2001 and it went something like this:

2 WJBK
3 WWJ
4 WDIV
5 WKBD
6 The Weather Channel
7 WXYZ
8 WDWB
9 CBET
10 WGTE
11 TV Guide Channel
12 WTVS
13 WADL
14 WPXD
15 local access
16 local access
17 local access
18 local access
19 local access
20 local access
21 local access
22-30 I believe these were scrambled pay channels.
31 ESPN
32 ESPN2
33 ESPN Classic
34 Speedvision
35 Fox Sports Detroit
36 CNN
37 ?
38 ?
39 ?
40 C-SPAN
41 C-SPAN2
42 HGTV
43 TLC
44 Discovery Channel
45 ?
46 ?
47 ?
48 ?
49 ?
50 History Channel
51 Disney Channel
52 Nickelodeon
53 ?
54 Cartoon Network (I think)
55 Fox Family Channel
56 TNT
57 ?
58 WGN
59 USA
60 TBS
61 ?
62 Lifetime
63 ?
64 ?
65 ?
66 TNN
67 ?
68 MTV
69 ?
70 Comedy Central
71 Sci-Fi


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Post by WOHO » Thu Nov 12, 2015 9:52 am

To pick-up on 1980 vintage Buckeye CATV, yes, two cables, A and B. The B cable had the stereo simulcasts for MTV in 82 or so, plus the Detroit FM stations, it had a Toledo Police scanner on one FM channel, and the NOAA Weather Radio as an FM channel as well. They would sell you a splitter and a 75ohm to 300 adapter for your FM tuner and it was like $1 or $3 a month for it. I had one of the first VHS-HiFi decks, very nice, with sliding adjustable L/R audio level controls and LED VU meters, 3 input audio switch to allow for simulcast input from your Stereo FM tuner only with the VCR tuner for video, other line level audio/video input, or tuner completely. Had fixed audio level or manually adjustable audio level too. Loved that deck.

Actually used the simulcast feature once to use the stereo audio from WJR (when they were AM stereo) as the audio along with televised Tigers game; unfortunately, put the AM stereo tuner too close to the TV set, so less than perfect audio from Ernie and Paul back in 1986/87. Now if I can just find that tape, and a working VHS HiFi VCR again to dub it to DVD, I'd love to re-live those days.

Because of poorly made TV's with leaky 300 ohm cables, 11 and 13 were never used for 11 & 13 or there was ghosting, so Buckeye had their video graphics and beautiful music in the background with scrolling weather, time, ads and other info crawl along the bottom and scroll up the main screen in bright colors.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Thu Nov 12, 2015 1:11 pm

WOHO wrote:To pick-up on 1980 vintage Buckeye CATV, yes, two cables, A and B. The B cable had the stereo simulcasts for MTV in 82 or so, plus the Detroit FM stations, it had a Toledo Police scanner on one FM channel, and the NOAA Weather Radio as an FM channel as well. They would sell you a splitter and a 75ohm to 300 adapter for your FM tuner and it was like $1 or $3 a month for it. I had one of the first VHS-HiFi decks, very nice, with sliding adjustable L/R audio level controls and LED VU meters, 3 input audio switch to allow for simulcast input from your Stereo FM tuner only with the VCR tuner for video, other line level audio/video input, or tuner completely. Had fixed audio level or manually adjustable audio level too. Loved that deck.
The days of manual adjustments are certainly long gone today. I'm sure that was a challenge to set up. My mom could never figure it out at all.
Actually used the simulcast feature once to use the stereo audio from WJR (when they were AM stereo) as the audio along with televised Tigers game; unfortunately, put the AM stereo tuner too close to the TV set, so less than perfect audio from Ernie and Paul back in 1986/87. Now if I can just find that tape, and a working VHS HiFi VCR again to dub it to DVD, I'd love to re-live those days.
I bet. Earlier broadcasts of NBC's "Friday Night Videos" also had the same deal. I don't think too many stations in the Toledo era ever took advantage of this but I'm sure it was a costly deal. I recall my mom's VHS copy of the made-for-TV film "The Ewok Adventure" had a blur running throughout reminding viewers to tune into a Detroit FM station to get the simulcast.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2_QWQi3qbc
Because of poorly made TV's with leaky 300 ohm cables, 11 and 13 were never used for 11 & 13 or there was ghosting, so Buckeye had their video graphics and beautiful music in the background with scrolling weather, time, ads and other info crawl along the bottom and scroll up the main screen in bright colors.
I would watch these all day long! Of course these were provided by Buckeye's parent company!
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The machine they used during the late 80's was developed up in Canada called the "Telidon", the graphics it produced looks similar to these videos below. Apparently the original use of this system was for two-way interactivity with the customers themselves, but The Blade only used it passively to present a slideshow of ads, news, weather and what-not. I do recall the programmers got a lot of pleasure out of designing ads such as an animated sequence where a paperboy on a bike is shown throwing a copy of The Blade at the camera. The execution though was very limited as objects and text had to be rendered in real time and it could taken nearly 30 seconds to a minute for the ad to be complete (normal text was much faster).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nJGQmHCh_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LbvcDnsYDI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3u34_kBafqs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN8l4ALTfIw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6DVBPmo4Co
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vjMUe7hkwRs
https://vimeo.com/68098468



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Post by Mega Hertz » Sat Nov 14, 2015 4:05 am

We had THE worst cable line-up known to man where I grew up. I don't remember the system name, but it was based in Sterling Heights, and when we got service in 1990, this was our line-up

2 WJBK
4 WDIV
5 Govt. Acc.
6 WKBD
7 WXYZ
8 WXON
9 CBET
10 WGPR
11 ESPN
12 Local Access
13 WTVS
16 PASS
17 The Movie Channel
18 Showtime
19 TBS
20 WGN
22 CNN
23 USA

That was IT. No MTV. No Weather Channel. Things changed in 1994. We had:

14 TNN
15 VH1
25 Nickelodeon
26 TNT
27 A&E
28 Family Channel
30 E! (Might still have been known as Movietime)
31 Lifetime
32 ESPN 2

Talk about a cheap-o line up!


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Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Tue Nov 17, 2015 7:32 pm

Mega Hertz wrote:We had THE worst cable line-up known to man where I grew up. I don't remember the system name, but it was based in Sterling Heights, and when we got service in 1990, this was our line-up

2 WJBK
4 WDIV
5 Govt. Acc.
6 WKBD
7 WXYZ
8 WXON
9 CBET
10 WGPR
11 ESPN
12 Local Access
13 WTVS
16 PASS
17 The Movie Channel
18 Showtime
19 TBS
20 WGN
22 CNN
23 USA

That was IT. No MTV. No Weather Channel. Things changed in 1994. We had:

14 TNN
15 VH1
25 Nickelodeon
26 TNT
27 A&E
28 Family Channel
30 E! (Might still have been known as Movietime)
31 Lifetime
32 ESPN 2

Talk about a cheap-o line up!
Poor soul. I think Bedford Cable just across the state like for me was like this in the 80's.
https://news.google.com/newspapers?nid= ... 9953&hl=en
http://www.toledoblade.com/Michigan/200 ... hises.html
http://www.toledoblade.com/Michigan/200 ... vider.html



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