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WTVN 610

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Re: WTVN 610

Post by k8jd » Thu Jan 17, 2019 3:17 pm

At night I was hearing WMT in Cedar Rapids . IA from the three tower dogleg array, Reminded me that I have been there and seen the WMT antenna.



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Re: WTVN 610

Post by CK-722 » Thu Jan 17, 2019 4:53 pm

That WMT Night Pattern dogleg also looks like it was influenced by Carl Smith. He was born in Eldon, IA.

WMT has been on STA because nearby cell towers have been reradiating the signal. CKAT may not be changing power and pattern, many have speculated, as it is heard Night after Night.


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Re: WTVN 610

Post by Radiobingoking » Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:33 am

Back in the 60's, while living in northwest Detroit, I had a tube radio that during the day I could turn to null WTVN and get weak reception from CKTB in St. Catharines.


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Re: WTVN 610

Post by SolarMax » Fri Jan 18, 2019 9:56 am

Radiobingoking wrote:
Fri Jan 18, 2019 2:33 am
Back in the 60's, while living in northwest Detroit, I had a tube radio that during the day I could turn to null WTVN and get weak reception from CKTB in St. Catharines.
During that same time, in N.E. Detroit, I also frequently dialed in WTVN, on a GE tabletop radio. I'd listen to "Sunday In Columbus," which, unlike Detroit locals, played music before noon on Sundays, rather than airing church remotes. It was on WTVN's Sunday show that I first heard Jim Runyon, and later followed him around the dial. Runyon later went to WKYC and then on to WCFL, where he became famous as the narrator of Dick Orkin's "Chicken Man," wrapping each episode with "Wellllllll......."
WTVN was usually decent night and day copy for many years, not so much now it seems.



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Re: WTVN 610

Post by CK-722 » Fri Jan 18, 2019 10:03 am

The 8 Bay FM antenna on Tower 5 is for WODC 93.3. In case any of you hadn't noticed, the bays are closer together than the typical full wavelength spacing-half wave spaced. Half wave spacing is becoming more popular because it results in less downward radiation, to comply with environmental radio frequency radiation standards. Also, it is being used with translators to avoid second and third adjacent channel interference to full power stations. It has considerably less gain than full wave spacing, but because you can squeeze in more bays in less space, requiring less aperture to rent from today's tower owners, often not the station owner, you can get sufficient gain for the ERP required.

https://fccdata.org/?facid=&call=WODC&c ... =&lang=ens

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https://licensing.fcc.gov/cgi-bin/prod/ ... r_id=80113

Originally Chillicothe, OH COL. Moved to Ashville, OH to meet Section 73.315 70 dBu requirements and also put 70 dBu over Columbus.


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Re: WTVN 610

Post by k8jd » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:42 pm

I have noticed a few "short stacks" FMBC antennas, around the Detroit Metro area , a few in the New Center area/.



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Re: WTVN 610

Post by CK-722 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 2:51 pm

It appears that the short tower pictured is Tower 1, the one that collapsed. Are the tower leg concrete bases supposed to be that tilted? If they shifted, I could see it might contribute to a collapse. The whole thing looks rickety though. At least when there were dedicated payroll engineers at station sites, they could watch and see when things were deteriorating in four dimensions, (x,y,z,t), before they collapsed.


Is THAT where they got the idea for the 486-SX?

Same (x, y, z), different (t)

Your bullet missed my trial balloon.

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Re: WTVN 610

Post by CK-722 » Sat Jan 19, 2019 3:04 pm

Also, have you seen the speaker stack domes on the Civil Defense Sirens? It looks like a very closely spaced RF antenna. If you think about it, the speed of sound is about 1100 feet per second. 1 wavelength at 1100 Hz would be 1 foot. At 550 Hz, the wavelength would be 2 feet, 1 foot would be a half wave. Although sound waves are not TEM waves, but longitudinal waves, they behave in similar ways. I remember when WSVC (now WUGN, it was a continuous license with silent STAs along the way) was broadcasting a 1 kHz tone to keep its license, I would listen to it on a 5 foot wide stereo theater, and go in and out of the nulls as I walked around the front of the console.


Is THAT where they got the idea for the 486-SX?

Same (x, y, z), different (t)

Your bullet missed my trial balloon.

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Re: WTVN 610

Post by CK-722 » Sun Jan 20, 2019 4:12 pm

Anyone know of a real time satellite view of the WTVN site to see what the progress is on the tower replacement? The Apple Maps Satellite View on this device shows all six towers up.

39 52' 33.60" -82 58' 48.00"

Make sure you put the minus sign on the Longitude or you are looking at China.


Is THAT where they got the idea for the 486-SX?

Same (x, y, z), different (t)

Your bullet missed my trial balloon.

RTN Price. Not guaranteed, 2 deg source. As of 12:30, 157.71 Down 0.22.

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Re: WTVN 610

Post by WOHO » Mon Jan 21, 2019 9:52 am

Enjoyed listening to them on weekends in the early 90's on my Chrysler minivan AM Stereo radio- good audio, music programming, and they would pay an 'oh wow' 45 every once in a while too (in the winter when there were no sports to broadcast), WTVN has of course turned-off their HD both day and night.



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