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Federal judge rules that Obamacare - ALL OF IT - is unconstitutional

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Federal judge rules that Obamacare - ALL OF IT - is unconstitutional

Post by bmw » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:32 pm

Well what do you know; it turns out that Obamacare IS unconstitutional.
On Friday, O’Connor ruled that after Trump signed a $1.5 trillion tax bill passed by Congress last year, the individual mandate requiring that most Americans obtain health insurance or pay a tax could no longer be considered constitutional.

He said because the individual mandate was an “essential” part of Obamacare, the entire law, rather than just the individual mandate, was unconstitutional.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... op+News%29



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Re: Federal judge rules that Obamacare - ALL OF IT - is unconstitutional

Post by Circle Seven » Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:36 pm

Please.
Anymore, Federal Judges are like the Bible. You can always find a judge or a verse that will support your side of the argument.



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Re: Federal judge rules that Obamacare - ALL OF IT - is unconstitutional

Post by Deleted User 8570 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 12:55 am

bmw wrote:
Sat Dec 15, 2018 2:32 pm
Well what do you know; it turns out that Obamacare IS unconstitutional.
On Friday, O’Connor ruled that after Trump signed a $1.5 trillion tax bill passed by Congress last year, the individual mandate requiring that most Americans obtain health insurance or pay a tax could no longer be considered constitutional.

He said because the individual mandate was an “essential” part of Obamacare, the entire law, rather than just the individual mandate, was unconstitutional.
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa- ... op+News%29
It’s being appealed... it’ll make its way to SCOTUS no doubt... this ruling is seen largely as... um... partisan...



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Re: Federal judge rules that Obamacare - ALL OF IT - is unconstitutional

Post by bmw » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:03 am

What is it that is "partisan" about this ruling? Are you suggesting that judges are only allowed to rule one specific way in cases in front of them without appearing to be "partisan"? There's no such thing as a "partisan" ruling unless you can prove that the judge in question not only thumbed his nose at the Constitution but also that he ruled based purely on his political beliefs.



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Re: Federal judge rules that Obamacare - ALL OF IT - is unconstitutional

Post by Deleted User 14803 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 10:39 am

It needs to go, bad idea from the start, bye bye Obamacare don’t let the door slam you in ass.Socialized Medicine is another step toward a Socialized Government.What next are we going to have the Government have us stand in line to get a loaf of bread ?



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Re: Federal judge rules that Obamacare - ALL OF IT - is unconstitutional

Post by zzand » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:22 am

From what I have read about the 55 page decision, once the Individual Mandate and and fine or tax, what ever you want to call it, went away the rest didn't stand up. The higher courts will have to decide if this is indeed the case. If so, my hope is both sides of the aisle will work together and come up with a plan that truly works as it should. The idea of the ACA was good, but in the end, even though millions got insurance, millions found out that it wasn't affordable at all. Maybe instead of passing it so we can find out what's in it, they should have done it the other way around. That way many of the problems that popped up could have been worked out and it may have indeed worked as envisioned. I went to the exchange every year and tried to find a plan that was affordable but never could. I do think the people asking for a refund on the tax they paid is somewhat silly. It was the law at the time and we had to do it. Now it has been erased so we don't have to do it. Here is hoping however this works out Congress can find a way to actually make it affordable.



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Re: Federal judge rules that Obamacare - ALL OF IT - is unconstitutional

Post by Deleted User 14803 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:40 am

My insurance premiums increased from $200.00 a month to $600.00 a month and another increase coming soon, this is due to Obamacare we have a family business that we have employees outside of family, that we pay their insurance as one of the benefits and it’s costing way to much due to Obamacare, We won’t drop the employees insurance because we have good people and loyal people that work for us, Before this Obamacare nightmare everything was better than affordable.This is another reason why I was against the minimum wage increase to go up to and past the 15.00 an hour rate .When your a business owner it’s a tough thing to balance everything out and be good and fair to the people who work and make your business successful.



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Re: Federal judge rules that Obamacare - ALL OF IT - is unconstitutional

Post by TC Talks » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:00 pm

RadioKev wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 11:40 am
My insurance premiums increased from $200.00 a month to $600.00 a month and another increase coming soon, this is due to Obamacare we have a family business that we have employees outside of family, that we pay their insurance as one of the benefits and it’s costing way to much due to Obamacare, We won’t drop the employees insurance because we have good people and loyal people that work for us, Before this Obamacare nightmare everything was better than affordable.This is another reason why I was against the minimum wage increase to go up to and past the 15.00 an hour rate .When your a business owner it’s a tough thing to balance everything out and be good and fair to the people who work and make your business successful.
actually that's what the insurance industry would like you to believe. If you think for one moment you are rates will go down and your level of coverage will go up without Obamacare you're a blithering idiot.

It hasn't crossed your mind that the insurance industry has had record profits since the Obamacare program started?

Congress was completely turned over thanks to one issue: Healthcare. I'm all for the Democrats winning the Senate if they choose to keep this bullshit up.
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Re: Federal judge rules that Obamacare - ALL OF IT - is unconstitutional

Post by Deleted User 14803 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:09 pm

Your right in what your saying,because the damage is done the rates will never go down, but if Obamacare is dismantled, then the rates could stop increasing and small businesses, like My families can still give their employees a health insurance benefit that won’t cost the employees and we can keep good workers.And yes the insurance companies love Obamacare, just one more reason I hate Obama he’s a liar, than the Dems call Trump a liar takes a lot of balls.Look at yourselves before you point the finger.
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Re: Federal judge rules that Obamacare - ALL OF IT - is unconstitutional

Post by TC Talks » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:10 pm

RadioKev wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:09 pm
Your right in what your saying,because the damage is done the rates will never go down, but if Obamacare is dismantled, then the rates could stop increasing and small businesses, like My families can still give their employees a health insurance benefit that won’t cost the employees and we can keep good workers.
I say we go single payer and get rid of the middleman insurance industry altogether. It's the most successful model across the globe.


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Re: Federal judge rules that Obamacare - ALL OF IT - is unconstitutional

Post by Deleted User 14803 » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:21 pm

I totally agree, go back to what it was pre 2010 and have the individual States go after insurance companies for over charging us for insurance for the Car, Home and more importantly Health.



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Re: Federal judge rules that Obamacare - ALL OF IT - is unconstitutional

Post by Ben Zonia » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:24 pm

Ever think about why, TCT?

The mandate, of course. More cattle in the herd. And to the government, a commodity like cattle.

And the money from the "government" (but really the taxpayers) in the form of subsidies. The insurance companies raised the rates sky-high, so that the individuals affected (many self employed, targeted by Obama for their Right of Socialist Politics) had to get the subsidy to bring the rates down to any where near affordable levels. The general populus thinks that all self employed people are "rich". In fact, there are many older (many White, but minorities also) males were forced into it by so called gender "equality" and outright Age Discrimination in Corporate (In)Human Resources. There are many construction workers, electrical, plumbing, HVAC, etc. in this group, and they tend to be Right of Socialist as a result of the shoddy treatment under government policies which discriminate against them. Many do all right, but have to fight for scraps in the economy, and certainly not "Rich" (how I hate that word, because nobody knows who is and who isn't, and it's used to target people for discrimination, while the real one percent or point one percent is off on yachts and lengthy vacations, and not exposed to the "filthy" thrifty "schleppers").

Pure and simple.

People like TCT work for the government and get cushy pensions and benefits, or get cushy government contracts. The contractors call themselves self employed, but they are really also at the government trough.

Pure and simple.

Single Payer=Socialized Medicine by any other name. Lines, long waits, discrimination by age and politics, shoddy services. Doctors who take 3 hour lunches and leave early, leaving the Right of Socialist types in line.

Pure and simple.
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Re: Federal judge rules that Obamacare - ALL OF IT - is unconstitutional

Post by TC Talks » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:32 pm

I always love it when you come out of the bunker to spout your shade of crazy.


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Post by Ben Zonia » Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:40 pm

Bunker. This from TCT, the Left's name calling Archie Bunker. Friend to Leftists in Exile, like the divine Mr. MM, the Pied Piper of Central Lake, the Portly Pot Puffer, leading the DemocRATS over the cliff.


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Re: Federal judge rules that Obamacare - ALL OF IT - is unconstitutional

Post by bmw » Sun Dec 16, 2018 4:49 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Sun Dec 16, 2018 1:10 pm
I say we go single payer and get rid of the middleman insurance industry altogether. It's the most successful model across the globe.
That doesn't get rid of the middle-man; it simply replaces it with a different middle-man.

Now that said, I have long supported, at least in principle, the idea of single-payer catastrophic-only coverage.



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