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Re: It's Not Easy Being Green

Post by Deleted User 24 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:12 am

TheForce wrote:
Fri Feb 08, 2019 11:16 am
If you are fine with ditching fossil fuels permanently, are you willing to pay more for clean and renewable energy? I just cannot fathom it being cheaper than good ol' fossil fuels.
Technology always becomes cheaper.



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Re: It's Not Easy Being Green

Post by Deleted User 4520 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 8:50 am

True, but until it becomes mainstream it's going to be very expensive. It's gonna hit a lot of people hard.



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Re: It's Not Easy Being Green

Post by Deleted User 8570 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:26 am

bmw wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 3:14 pm
Full text of the Green New Deal can be found here:

http://www.gp.org/gnd_full
The centerpiece of the Green New Deal is a commitment to transition to 100% clean, renewable energy by 2030. The transition to clean energy is not only a visionary plan for a better world, it’s absolutely necessary to ensure we have a world at all.
Elimination of all fossil fuels by 2030? This chick is nuts. Even Nancy Pelosi knows this plan is a loser.

Nancy Pelosi isn't all that impressed. Asked about the "Green New Deal" in an interview with Politico on Wednesday, Pelosi dropped this amazing bit of shade on it:
"It will be one of several or maybe many suggestions that we receive. The green dream, or whatever they call it, nobody knows what it is, but they're for it, right?"


https://www.cnn.com/2019/02/07/politics ... index.html
You could probably do something like this by 2060 or 2070... it’s not communist by any means... it’s not really socialist either... it’s just unrealistic... but it came from the Green Party which is even fringier than the Libertarians... I highly doubt she knows this thing backwards and forwards. I got bored reading it about 2 pages in. It just kind of repeats itself and rambles about the world ending in 10 years or something...

Folks like AOC and other progressives make it hard to be a Democrat.



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Re: It's Not Easy Being Green

Post by FET-500 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:46 am

tapeisrolling wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:48 pm
If all the items to produce power were used the need for fossil fuels would be much less. I just saw a video of of something that looked like a paddle wheel that lays on the bottom of a stream or river and it generates power continually. Day, night, Summer, Winter don't matter. No need for storage.

The whole change of 'my perception of the world' for a lot of folks is probably the same as felt by many at the dawn of the industrial age.

It reminds me of a friend who had to have some pre cancerous work done. The Dr ask how he felt. My friend replied, "It beats the alternative.."
Nope... that stuff does not scale.



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Re: It's Not Easy Being Green

Post by Bryce » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:47 am

AOC - Airhead Of Congress?


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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Re: It's Not Easy Being Green

Post by Deleted User 8570 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:50 am

FET-500 wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:46 am
tapeisrolling wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:48 pm
If all the items to produce power were used the need for fossil fuels would be much less. I just saw a video of of something that looked like a paddle wheel that lays on the bottom of a stream or river and it generates power continually. Day, night, Summer, Winter don't matter. No need for storage.

The whole change of 'my perception of the world' for a lot of folks is probably the same as felt by many at the dawn of the industrial age.

It reminds me of a friend who had to have some pre cancerous work done. The Dr ask how he felt. My friend replied, "It beats the alternative.."
Nope... that stuff does not scale.
It scales down at least... just because something doesn’t happen right now doesn’t mean it never can...

In 1950 you could say “Man does not walk on the moon.”

Did that last forever? Not quite...



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Re: It's Not Easy Being Green

Post by FET-500 » Sat Feb 09, 2019 5:51 pm

NS8401 wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:50 am
FET-500 wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:46 am
tapeisrolling wrote:
Thu Feb 07, 2019 9:48 pm
If all the items to produce power were used the need for fossil fuels would be much less. I just saw a video of of something that looked like a paddle wheel that lays on the bottom of a stream or river and it generates power continually. Day, night, Summer, Winter don't matter. No need for storage.

The whole change of 'my perception of the world' for a lot of folks is probably the same as felt by many at the dawn of the industrial age.

It reminds me of a friend who had to have some pre cancerous work done. The Dr ask how he felt. My friend replied, "It beats the alternative.."
Nope... that stuff does not scale.
It scales down at least... just because something doesn’t happen right now doesn’t mean it never can...

In 1950 you could say “Man does not walk on the moon.”

Did that last forever? Not quite...
The new DTE plant is 1150MW.



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Re: It's Not Easy Being Green

Post by TC Shuts Up » Sat Feb 09, 2019 7:18 pm

Bryce wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:47 am
AOC - Airhead Of Congress?
aaaa oooo Airheads Of Congress aaaa oooo

A Warren Zevon Parody Anyone? Bueller? Mueller?


Disagreeing with Communists is NOT an impeachable offense.

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Re: It's Not Easy Being Green

Post by bmw » Sun Feb 10, 2019 12:29 am

NS8401 wrote:
Sat Feb 09, 2019 10:26 am
Folks like AOC and other progressives make it hard to be a Democrat.
It doesn't help that AOC is something of a media darling. The mainstream media is fawning all over her and the conservative media is more than happy to paint her as the face of the Democratic party.



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Re: It's Not Easy Being Green

Post by FET-500 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:41 am




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Re: It's Not Easy Being Green

Post by bmw » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:27 am

FET-500 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 9:41 am
Wayback Machine for the win... https://web.archive.org/web/20190207191 ... w-deal-faq
I can't seem to find much information at all about the deletion of that blog post other than a lone article written by the Washington Examiner. https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news ... al-details

Neither she nor her staff can seem to get their stories straight about why it was deleted. I'm not buying the excuse that it was posted "in error" because as the article notes, there was at least one revision made to the post AFTER it had already been put up. I suspect she was pressured from people higher up in the Democrat party to take it down and that now she's lying about it.



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Re: It's Not Easy Being Green

Post by craig11152 » Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:59 am

MIT is allegedly making serious strides toward making fusion sustainable and affordable on a large scale.
If they succeed that will be the future of clean energy/electricity.
If they succeed solar and wind will be mostly irrelevant.


I no longer directly engage trolls

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Re: It's Not Easy Being Green

Post by TC Shuts Up » Sun Feb 10, 2019 11:12 am

craig11152 wrote:
Sun Feb 10, 2019 10:59 am
MIT is allegedly making serious strides toward making fusion sustainable and affordable on a large scale.
If they succeed that will be the future of clean energy/electricity If they succeed solar and wind will be mostly irrelevant.
It still won't make it any easier to build bridges or tunnels across thousands of miles of ocean.

AWayWorseThanOCD didn't say anything about fusion. Just Wind and Solar.

BTW, I'm a great proponent of the efficient use of Solar Power. Why, just the other day, I turned my car around in the driveway so the ice on the front windshield would melt. And it worked,


Disagreeing with Communists is NOT an impeachable offense.

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Re: It's Not Easy Being Green

Post by MWmetalhead » Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:05 pm

The proponents of the Green New Deal have succeeded in making Nancy Pelosi look like a pragmatic centrist.

The fact some prominent politicians are embracing this set of preposterous policy proposals is truly mind blowing. I am almost speechless.

If many in the Dem field continue to embrace the Green New Deal, the door is being flung wide open for an independent candidate to not only get into the Presidential race, but to actually have a chance of being a viable candidate!

I would love to know how the Green Party - who has always fared spectacularly poorly in any major election in the U.S. - has suddenly managed to gain such a firm grip on the Democratic Party?



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Re: It's Not Easy Being Green

Post by bmw » Wed Feb 13, 2019 11:28 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Wed Feb 13, 2019 10:05 pm
The proponents of the Green New Deal have succeeded in making Nancy Pelosi look like a pragmatic centrist.

The fact some prominent politicians are embracing this set of preposterous policy proposals is truly mind blowing. I am almost speechless.

If many in the Dem field continue to embrace the Green New Deal, the door is being flung wide open for an independent candidate to not only get into the Presidential race, but to actually have a chance of being a viable candidate!

I would love to know how the Green Party - who has always fared spectacularly poorly in any major election in the U.S. - has suddenly managed to gain such a firm grip on the Democratic Party?
I think we're just seeing the natural progression over time of liberalism playing out within the Democrat party. Haven't you ever noticed that no amount of change is ever enough for a liberal? They have no end-game or goal. The more they get, the more they pursue. Liberalism has no left-most bounds, and no amount of social change or increased government control will ever make these people truly happy.

Environmental policy is just one of the many ways in which Democrats have lurched so far to the left. I theorize that social media is the root cause of the acceleration. But that is a far more complex topic for another day.



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