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Will President Trump shut it down or cave?

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Will President Trump shut it down or cave?

Post by Deleted User 14803 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:16 pm

Will we have a Government Shutdown? or will the President cave to the Dems? This could be the last chance to get funding for the wall.



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Re: Will President Trump shut it down or cave?

Post by Deleted User 24 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:49 pm

I thought Mexico was supposed to pay for it. That's what he promised.



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Re: Will President Trump shut it down or cave?

Post by Circle Seven » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:08 pm

No matter what party you are loyal to, holding up funding to run the government over this silly wall is absurd.



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Re: Will President Trump shut it down or cave?

Post by Turkeytop » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:15 pm

Shut it down. That'll teach those Mexicans.


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Re: Will President Trump shut it down or cave?

Post by Bryce » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:17 pm

Circle Seven wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:08 pm
No matter what party you are loyal to, holding up funding to run the government over this silly wall is absurd.
I don't agree. That "wall" was the cornerstone of T Rump's election campaign. It's a big part of why he got elected. If he caves it will be his "read my lips" moment. Many in his base will abandon him.

Like a winter snowfall, A "Government Shutdown" isn't anywhere near the calamity the media makes it out to be. SSI checks still go out, food stamps still get sent, military still gets paid and the "non essential" government employees that get sent home get their back pay.

Frankly, if it's "non essential" why is it there in the first place?

There was a 21 day shut-down in '95/'96. We survived.


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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Re: Will President Trump shut it down or cave?

Post by Turkeytop » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:28 pm

Trump doesn't understand that a shutdown represents failure. In collective bargaining we always say "Any damned fool can bargain their way to a strike. It takes skill to get to an agreement."


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Re: Will President Trump shut it down or cave?

Post by Deleted User 14803 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:52 pm

Bryce wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:17 pm
Circle Seven wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 6:08 pm
No matter what party you are loyal to, holding up funding to run the government over this silly wall is absurd.
I don't agree. That "wall" was the cornerstone of T Rump's election campaign. It's a big part of why he got elected. If he caves it will be his "read my lips" moment. Many in his base will abandon him.

Like a winter snowfall, A "Government Shutdown" isn't anywhere near the calamity the media makes it out to be. SSI checks still go out, food stamps still get sent, military still gets paid and the "non essential" government employees that get sent home get their back pay.

Frankly, if it's "non essential" why is it there in the first place?

There was a 21 day shut-down in '95/'96. We survived.
You’re right, if he caves it could cost him the re-election in 2020, that was the campaign promise that got him in, so I say shut it down and fight for that funding now, if he’s going to do it well then get it done and stop pussyfooting around.



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Re: Will President Trump shut it down or cave?

Post by zzand » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:32 pm

House just passed a bill with the 5 Billion included....



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Re: Will President Trump shut it down or cave?

Post by Bryce » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:49 pm

zzand wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:32 pm
House just passed a bill with the 5 Billion included....
Cool.

Have the Senate bring it to the floor and if the Dems filibuster, the shut down is on them.


New York and Chicago were all in with respect to their sanctuary status — until they were hit with the challenge of actually providing sanctuary. In other words, typical liberal hypocrisy.

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Re: Will President Trump shut it down or cave?

Post by Turkeytop » Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:59 pm

Bryce wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:49 pm
zzand wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 8:32 pm
House just passed a bill with the 5 Billion included....
Cool.

Have the Senate bring it to the floor and if the Dems filibuster, the shut down is on them.
The President already claimed the shutdown as his own. Said he'll be proud to have it on him.


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Re: Will President Trump shut it down or cave?

Post by Deleted User 14803 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:05 pm

It will be the fault of the Senate if they don’t pass it not Trump, Looks like the shutdown is now more of a possibility, it’s in the hands of the Dems.



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Re: Will President Trump shut it down or cave?

Post by ZenithCKLW » Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:10 pm

“If I don’t get what I want, I’m gonna have a temper tantrum and shut down the government” isn’t exactly putting anything “in the hands of the dems.”

“I warned you that if you don’t give me what I want, I’m gonna blame you” isn’t putting anything “in the hands of the dems.”

“Mommy, if you don’t give me that lollipop, I’m gonna cry and tell people how terrible you are” isn’t exactly putting anything “in the hands of Mommy”.

This isn’t how leaders behave.



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Re: Will President Trump shut it down or cave?

Post by Deleted User 8570 » Thu Dec 20, 2018 10:30 pm

ZenithCKLW wrote:
Thu Dec 20, 2018 9:10 pm
“If I don’t get what I want, I’m gonna have a temper tantrum and shut down the government” isn’t exactly putting anything “in the hands of the dems.”

“I warned you that if you don’t give me what I want, I’m gonna blame you” isn’t putting anything “in the hands of the dems.”

“Mommy, if you don’t give me that lollipop, I’m gonna cry and tell people how terrible you are” isn’t exactly putting anything “in the hands of Mommy”.

This isn’t how leaders behave.
He isn’t a leader...



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Re: Will President Trump shut it down or cave?

Post by ZenithCKLW » Thu Dec 20, 2018 11:20 pm

Clearly.



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Re: Will President Trump shut it down or cave?

Post by Chris1980 » Fri Dec 21, 2018 12:24 am

I hope he is a two-term president... and that his second term will be a prison term.



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