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Higgins--Hougton Lake

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Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by fairbankshockeypuck » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:33 pm

Just drove up and back to brother in-law and sis cabin at Higgins Lake...Obviously 98-UPS is tops...Impressed with the sound of 107.9 WCDY Cadillac...through Harrison 106-5 caught as a LP....TV was interesting...a simple antenna outside pole brought in a lot of stations...9/14/27/29/32 and a bunch of 18s and sub channels from lower power licensed to Roscommon....didn't see NBC though



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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by fairbankshockeypuck » Tue Feb 13, 2018 9:36 pm

16 hour drive tomorrow morning from Saginaw area to Bemidji MN through UP and Wisconsin...will be dxing.........



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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by organman95 » Wed Feb 14, 2018 8:27 am

You picked up that many TV stations? Things must have changed since I moved in 2013... How high is the antenna?



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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by ftballfan » Wed Feb 14, 2018 1:18 pm

29.2 should be NBC



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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by litemix » Wed Feb 14, 2018 7:46 pm

What kind of antenna did you use?? and how high up was it?



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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by fairbankshockeypuck » Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:02 pm

just a simple pole with three to five element(((not very big)) just over the roof......



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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by organman95 » Thu Feb 15, 2018 8:08 am

fairbankshockeypuck wrote:
Wed Feb 14, 2018 11:02 pm
just a simple pole with three to five element(((not very big)) just over the roof......
That is impressive. When I left in 2013, a 3-5 element was good for 9&10 and I think PBS (don't remember if 21 Cadillac or 27 Manistee). 7&4/29&8 (then Ch. 50.1 and 50.2) was spotty at best, and you had to have the antenna direct depending where in that area you were.

But then, I was in Houghton Lake, so I had two lakes (or three, if the wind was blowing just right off of Lake St. James), so that could have been part of the problem...



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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by MWmetalhead » Thu Feb 15, 2018 7:10 pm

WPBN, WGTU, and WCMV all transmit from the same antenna at 393 meters HAAT from just east of Kalkaska. All three stations utilize the same directional pattern. In each case, the Houghton Lake area is situated in a fairly deep null, so that region receives nowhere near the maximum signal from each station.

Actual transmitting channels are as follows:
WCMV - 17
WGTU - 29
WPBN - 47

WCMV and WPBN from an RF standpoint send out a lot more signal than WGTU. WGTU is flea powered at just 68.4 kW in its maximum azimuth. By comparison, WPBN sends out 500 kW in its maximum azimuth.

My guess is the antenna being used in fairbanks' instance isn't well adapted for reception of upper end UHF channels. Or perhaps there was a wind gust at precisely the wrong time when he was running his channel scan. Another possibility is WPBN running at reduced power due to a technical issue of some kind.


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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by TC Talks » Fri Feb 16, 2018 1:29 am

I've had more trouble getting WPBN in Traverse City than any channel. I've suspected they run lower power consistently.


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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Feb 16, 2018 6:47 am

They must be. Thanks for the info.


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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by organman95 » Fri Feb 16, 2018 8:02 am

Maybe Sinclair will eventually fix the WPBN and WTOM signal issues...although, when you have 29 on the same tower as 47, and 8 not too far from 35, what's the point? 8 more or less takes care of the lack of coverage from 35. Without looking at a map, I'm assuming 47 is taking care of the lack of coverage from 29.

So why even have 35 & 29?



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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by brianp48093 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:18 pm

My cabin is in Nester Township....7 miles South of Prudenville. I installed a Winegard HD7694P on the roof to replace my old single band antenna. The antenna has a rotator. These are some of the stations I receive:


5 WNEM CBS
9 WWTV CBS
12 WJRT ABC
17 WCMV PBS
33 WFQX FOX
47 WPBN NBC
48 WAQP IND

I haven't been up there since July 4 so my memory is hazy regarding all the channels/subchannels.

I will say that I was NOT able to get WPBN and WFQX until I purchased this: https://m.lowes.com/pd/RCA-HD-Televisio ... 1000081313

Since I have a powersource close to the antenna, I was able to install the RCA within 5 feet of the antenna. Once it was installed and I powered it up, I had no problems getting WPBN and WFQX crystal clear as well as numerous misc channels that I couldn't get before.

All in all, I'm happy. I just wish they'd improve cellular coverage now.



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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by TheForce » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:50 pm

How was the reception of TV5 and ABC12? No WEYI 25?



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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by organman95 » Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:54 pm

Interesting. Not to sound stupid, but I wonder if you could hook one of those up to an indoor antenna for the same result?



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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by tvbobn » Tue Feb 27, 2018 6:37 pm

brianp48093 wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:18 pm
My cabin is in Nester Township....7 miles South of Prudenville. I installed a Winegard HD7694P on the roof to replace my old single band antenna. The antenna has a rotator. These are some of the stations I receive:


5 WNEM CBS
9 WWTV CBS
12 WJRT ABC
17 WCMV PBS
33 WFQX FOX
47 WPBN NBC
48 WAQP IND

I haven't been up there since July 4 so my memory is hazy regarding all the channels/subchannels.

I will say that I was NOT able to get WPBN and WFQX until I purchased this: https://m.lowes.com/pd/RCA-HD-Televisio ... 1000081313

Since I have a powersource close to the antenna, I was able to install the RCA within 5 feet of the antenna. Once it was installed and I powered it up, I had no problems getting WPBN and WFQX crystal clear as well as numerous misc channels that I couldn't get before.

All in all, I'm happy. I just wish they'd improve cellular coverage now.
What about channel 18 and 20? Did you get either of them?



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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by brianp48093 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:50 am

18 and 20. I don't THINK so. I'll have to check next time I'm up there. What are the call letters?



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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by brianp48093 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:52 am

organman95 wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:54 pm
Interesting. Not to sound stupid, but I wonder if you could hook one of those up to an indoor antenna for the same result?
Yes, I think you can hook it up to an indoor antenna. No idea how it will work though.



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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by brianp48093 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 9:53 am

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What about channel 18 and 20? Did you get either of them?
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18 and 20. I don't THINK so. I'll have to check next time I'm up there. What are the call letters?



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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by brianp48093 » Wed Mar 07, 2018 10:02 am

TheForce wrote:
Tue Feb 27, 2018 12:50 pm
How was the reception of TV5 and ABC12? No WEYI 25?
Reception of TV5 & ABC12 come in perfect as long as the antenna is rotated correctly. WEYI comes in good also....I forgot to include that channel in my list.

Actually, after further thought, I'm not using the RCA device at cabin, I'm using this: https://www.homedepot.com/p/Winegard-Bo ... %7Brest%7D+

I used the RCA in my ex girlfriends house.



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Re: Higgins--Hougton Lake

Post by KC8YQQ » Fri Apr 06, 2018 3:59 am

From the family cottage in Houghton Lake Heights, antenna 40+ feet up:

WWTV 9 (9), 100%
WBKB 11 (11), skip only
WJRT 12 (12), 5%
WMNN 14 (26), 100% (off air often)
WDCQ 15 (19), 100%
WCMV 17 (27), 100%
WURO 18 (18), 100% (off air often)
WUWB 20 (20), 100% (off air often)
WNEW 22 (5), about 50%
W23EB 23 (23), 100%
WCML 24 (6), 100%
WGTU 29 (29), 100%
WFQX 32 (32), 100%
WTOM 35 (4), skip only
CKCO-3 42, (analog) most nights...picture is snowy
WFUP 45 (45), 100%
WPBN 47 (7), 100%



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