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CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Feb 10, 2017 8:10 pm

I wonder how the gross purse compares to expectation on a global scale.

Getting back to the Mid-Michigan PBS situation, I wonder what the chances are of WDCQ applying for a digital translator to serve the Flint area? I am guessing the chances of that occurring are very slim.

Are translators/repeaters of full power, in-market stations protected, tvbobn, or are they lumped into the same category as the LPTVs?
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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by tvbobn » Sat Feb 11, 2017 9:52 am

MWmetalhead wrote:I wonder how the gross purse compares to expectation on a global scale.

Getting back to the Mid-Michigan PBS situation, I wonder what the chances are of WDCQ applying for a digital translator to serve the Flint area? I am guessing the chances of that occurring are very slim.

Are translators/repeaters of full power, in-market stations protected, tvbobn, or are they lumped into the same category as the LPTVs?
Hard to say at this time. They're sort of making the rules as the go. LPTV is secondary to Full Power stations main channel, but we don't know about a FP translator. The FCC hasn't followed their own rules during much of the auction, so it's hard to say what will happen in the future. None of us know what will happen until they come out with the "repack channel list". The FCC is providing it for stations, so it's in their hands. At this point, we don't know if the list will only be FP and Class A's or if it will include the LPTV's too. They've said that it should be out in a few weeks. Earlier in the auction, they made it sound like only FP and Class A would be included on the repack channel list, then LPTV would fight for what channels were left available for them.

With the new "broadcast friendly" FCC chairman instead of a "wireless friendly" chairman in charge now, we might have a better chance for LPTV stations surviving this auction mess!

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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by audiophile » Sat Feb 11, 2017 11:07 pm

About the only chance Flint residents have is WDCQ on Channel 15.

The 1030 foot tower is in Quanicassee, so an outdoor antenna will mostly likely be required.
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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by JackAttack FM » Tue Feb 14, 2017 1:54 pm

Channel 28 is redundant.
Its redundant to WTVS, CBC and TVO in Detroit and its redundant to WDCQ in its own market.
As WFUM it was multi-redundant with WCMU before it was owned by CMU.
And to one side of town it was redundant to WKAR.
It was the fifth place PBS station sandwiched between three markets.
Its only real value was as a community service for local exposure in Flint.

I give props to WCMU for trying to expand and gain some exposure in the Detroit market, for the WCMU network and the university.
My feeling is they just weren't able to attract the extra eyeballs or donations from the Detroit market as maybe planned.
It will be interesting to see if Detroit cable systems keep the station in their line-ups.

Letting the station go commercial is probably a bad business model. CMU probably wouldn't even get half as much for it as it did in the auction.
And going against cable, internet and affiliate station subchannels as a start-up now is a suicide run.

CMU paid $1M for the station less then ten years ago and now they're going to to make $13M off of it.
Good for them!

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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by Arthur Mometer » Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:41 pm

I suggest that you look at a Longley Rice prediction of the signals you mention. With this misinformation and long obsolete models still used to predict signals, OTA TV is dead. 19, 23, and 56 DO NOT cover Genesee County well at all OTA. With analog, they were snowy. With DTV they don't come in at all without extreme measures. What was free will be very expensive.
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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by rugratsonline » Tue Feb 14, 2017 9:59 pm

JackAttack FM wrote:Channel 28 is redundant.
Its redundant to WTVS, CBC and TVO in Detroit and its redundant to WDCQ in its own market.
It will be interesting to see if Detroit cable systems keep the station in their line-ups.
The same for TVO, now that they will be closing down all its transmitters, except for the flagship in Toronto.

In terms of WCMZ -- if it becomes something else, it is likely that if it's on cable now as WCMZ, it'll be on cable as something else. If WCMZ goes dark, however, systems can practically fill its slot with any channel they want -- or just leave it vacant.
JackAttack FM wrote: Letting the station go commercial is probably a bad business model.
If it's in a non-commercial allocation, it can't go commercial. Just hope it's not occupied by another godcaster.

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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by HD74 » Wed Feb 15, 2017 12:26 pm

It will either be filled by a station coming down from above channel 36, or will be left vacant to help protect adjacent markets from interference.
The pool will be full.
Unless it is viable for a low power after the repack is done, you will not see a new station on that channel, but a different station that you already see may move there.
A Godcaster is unlikely.
We'll get a pretty good idea of what's actually going to happen in a couple more weeks as the FCC publishes its plan.
In the meantime your guess is as good as mine.
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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by jry » Wed Feb 15, 2017 3:35 pm

Some indy in the Hudson Valley area of NY sold for 212 Million.... Whoa. Merry Christmas.

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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by ftballfan » Wed Feb 15, 2017 4:12 pm

Here are some channels that will need new homes:
Flint-Saginaw-Bay City
WBSF (RF 46)
WAQP (RF 48)
Lansing
WSYM (RF 38)
WKAR (RF 40)
WZPX (RF 44)
Detroit
WADL (RF 39)
WXYZ (RF 41)
WTVS (RF 43)
WWJ (RF 44)
WDIV (RF 45)

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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by HD74 » Fri Feb 17, 2017 10:41 am

Tip of the iceberg, many other stations will be forced to move to accommodate these stations.
Stations already below channel 37 are being moved to deal with all the interference issues, and some really weird stuff is being proposed by the feds.
In at least one instance, a company with two stations in a market is being told to move one station, and move the other station to where the original station already is.
Seems like it would be better and a lot less expensive to just move the station that has been displaced.
All this will be sorted out supposedly before the end of March, when stations will start the repack.

"Here are some channels that will need new homes:
Flint-Saginaw-Bay City
WBSF (RF 46)
WAQP (RF 48)
Lansing
WSYM (RF 38)
WKAR (RF 40)
WZPX (RF 44)
Detroit
WADL (RF 39)
WXYZ (RF 41)
WTVS (RF 43)
WWJ (RF 44)"
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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by WOHO » Thu Mar 16, 2017 8:35 am

Did WCMZ agree to 'go dark'? What a horrible deal for broadcasters getting 10% of what they asked for. Couldn't they agree to getting paid to move to the interference-ridden VHF-Low Band so that they would still have an 'antenna signal' and production facilities to feed the cable providers?

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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by organman95 » Thu Mar 16, 2017 9:27 am

Ok with all this repacking and what not, at what point is OTA television going to become a thing of the past? Frankly, there is PLENTY of frequency available that the television industry does not need to be messed with.

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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by cs15 » Mon Apr 17, 2017 12:23 pm

I'm just south of Flint and I can pull in both channel 19 & 56 with a DIY 4 bay antenna mounted on the roof of my ranch house.

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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by ftballfan » Fri Apr 21, 2017 2:34 pm

I would expect CMU to lose most (if not all) of its Detroit market cable carriage. It will likely remain in Flint itself (as the mothership is considered part of the Flint-Saginaw market despite its stick being in Mecosta County (Traverse City-Cadillac market))

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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by Fingerboard Corners » Fri Apr 21, 2017 4:38 pm

The WCMU-TV Mecosta County tower is near Barryton, a good 90 miles from Flint. I don't doubt that higher areas in Southern Genesee County South of Grand Blanc, on top of ridges near the town of Genesee, West of Flint on ridges not near creeks and rivers, and in Livingston County South of Fenton, can get service from at least one PBS station. I know from experience that much of Central Genesee County will receive little if any OTA PBS stations reliably. First of all, at 40+ miles, UHF IS JUST NOT RELIABLE without a clear Line of Sight path. It wasn't in analog, and it certainly won't be in digital.
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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Apr 21, 2017 6:32 pm

Couldn't they agree to getting paid to move to the interference-ridden VHF-Low Band so that they would still have an 'antenna signal' and production facilities to feed the cable providers?
It'd probably be cheaper just to set up a direct fiber feed to the major cable providers in the area.
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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by rugratsonline » Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:57 pm

Personally, I think WCMU has all but given up on Flint and Southeastern Michigan, due to competing stations in the eastern half of the state. Practically, once all the dust settles from the repacking, WDCQ, WKAR and WTVS would develop a plan to better serve Flint, as well as WDCQ, WKAR and WGTE offer second PBS service to Detroit.

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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Fri Apr 21, 2017 9:00 pm

rugratsonline wrote:
Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:57 pm
Personally, I think WCMU has all but given up on Flint and Southeastern Michigan, due to competing stations in the eastern half of the state. Practically, once all the dust settles from the repacking, WDCQ, WKAR and WTVS would develop a plan to better serve Flint, as well as WDCQ, WKAR and WGTE offer second PBS service to Detroit.
There's that to look forward to I guess.

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Re: CMU Sells Flint WCMZ-TV In FCC Spectrum Auction

Post by Fingerboard Corners » Sat Apr 22, 2017 1:38 pm

rugratsonline wrote:
Fri Apr 21, 2017 7:57 pm
Personally, I think WCMU has all but given up on Flint and Southeastern Michigan, due to competing stations in the eastern half of the state. Practically, once all the dust settles from the repacking, WDCQ, WKAR and WTVS would develop a plan to better serve Flint, as well as WDCQ, WKAR and WGTE offer second PBS service to Detroit.
It looks like the PBS affiliates don't want competition from other nearby PBS affiliates. Too much competition for donations and audience share. This was probably why WUOM-TV, with a Construction Permit for a tower where the North Campus now sits, was never built. As I recall, one of the UHF taboos required it to be at least 20 miles from the Southfield antenna farm, so between that restriction and covering Ann Arbor with an 80 dBu City Grade signal, it wouldn't have covered Detroit Metro that well. But when the WUOM people found out about the WFUM Channel 28 application back in the early 1980s, they were intensely jealous and did not want it to be autonomous from WUOM. This information was straight from the words of the pioneers at WFUM. They weren't under the University of Michigan-Ann Arbor thumb until shortly before it was sold to CMU. And CMU had promised to keep up some local programming on Channel 28 as I recall, but it never materialized. UM-Flint had great student involvement and training and locally produced programming at Channel 28. It gave many students hands on experience in operating a TV station. It's a shame that all that, and even the station will now be gone. Unless WDCQ could move to a tower closer to Flint like on or near the WEYI tower, and perhaps partnered with Mott Community College for student training and programming, they will never have those opportunities again.

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