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[bmw]

As far as ending Poverty, you clearly haven't found faith yet.

I'm not suggesting that helping those in need is not a worthy goal. What I'm saying is that "ending" poverty is an unrealistic one.

Goals aren't achieved when you don't target the ultimate finish line. There are several countries that have ended poverty. They did it by making it a priority and they didn't quit until the goal was met. Anything else is marginal. Are you marginal?

For most, it was an economic strategy. Do you know what the cost of poverty is for a society?

When you claim that several countries have ended poverty, what definition of poverty are you using exactly? The US definition of $14,580 a year, or the World Bank definition of "extreme" poverty being at a mere $694 per year? There's a wide gulf between those two definitions.

[craig11152]

There are several countries that have ended poverty.

Give me a list. Back it up or you are fabricating fake facts.

[TC Talks]

Poverty and the associated safety net can make stats confusing. So a country with low poverty and no safety net is worse than moderate poverty with an adequate safety net. In some models, the measurement is a look at poverty irregardless of a safety net. I look at poverty rates adjusted with the safety net.

The second way to look at this is via a universal scale (those making less than $2.25 a day) vs The percentage of the population living below national poverty line (%) – poverty line deemed appropriate for a country by its authorities (which is not a great way, as China for example, has a zero poverty rate).

The World Bank's ranking is probably the most accurate method. Based on this, I would suggest these countries who have 0.01% poverty (effectively 0 poverty).
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of ... in_poverty

Belgium
France
Ireland
Poland
Canada
Denmark
Norway

There are other countries that are really good, but these are the best. The US is quite a way down this ranking.

[bmw]

Wow do you ever love to play with numbers to fit your narrative. By the definition you've set forth here -ie, 0.01% being effectively 0 percent, the number of people who freeze to death in the US every year is effectively 0.

Setting that aside, even though you didn't directly answer my question, it appears as though you're going with the definition of "extreme" poverty as opposed to a nation's poverty line.

Even using the least worst version of extreme poverty ($2500/year), the best country on the list is Finland, and even they have over 5,000 people who are living on less than $2500 per year. However, when looking at Finland's country-defined poverty line (I can't seem to find exactly what that number is), their poverty rate is 12.7% of the population, or about 680,000 people.

So your suggestion that some countries have completely eliminated poverty is preposterous.

[TC Talks]

the number of people who freeze to death in the US every year is effectively 0.
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So your suggestion that some countries have completely eliminated poverty is preposterous.

Stick to fixing computers. Sociology doesn't suit you.

[bmw]

I've asked you a simple question that you continue to refuse to answer. Below what income level do you define poverty?

You have a history of playing fast and loose with definitions and numbers, and this thread is no exception. So I'm simply trying to pin you down on exactly what you're claiming here.

[TC Talks]

I've asked you a simple question that you continue to refuse to answer. Below what income level do you define poverty?

You have a history of playing fast and loose with definitions and numbers, and this thread is no exception. So I'm simply trying to pin you down on exactly what you're claiming here.

See my lengthy reply above. I addressed this already.

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I would rather see money go to the poor than antisemitic ivy league endowments. I would rather see parents get the option of collecting the public school money directly with a required annual test to prove proficiency. A mother of three would get around $18k which is a measley sum to a professional woman, but a large sum to a poor one who has a greater intere$t in her childs academic achievement.

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I would rather see money go to the poor than antisemitic ivy league endowments. I would rather see parents get the option of collecting the public school money directly with a required annual test to prove proficiency. A mother of three would get around $18k which is a measley sum to a professional woman, but a large sum to a poor one who has a greater intere$t in her childs academic achievement.

Good lord.

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Seems to be working here....

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