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Comcast and NBC in Detroit

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Comcast and NBC in Detroit

Post by Deleted User 7620 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:43 pm

Do you guys see a scenario where NBC Universial/Comcast will make an attempt to buy WDIV, thus making Channel 4 an NBC O&O for the first time?

I am asking, because it seems like NBC is expanding its sports presence to become more competitive with Fox Sports.

Fox already has a big presence in Detroit with Fox Sports Detroit and O&O WJBK. Fox carries most of the Lions games.

Ever since Comcast bought NBC, it seems to be expanding.

I’ve always thought that NBC is seeking to have more of a presence in Michigan. I also wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to start an NBC Sports Detroit network.

Not saying this will happen, but I wouldn’t put it out of the realm of possibility. Besides, I don’t think Graham is doing well financially.

Detroit is a very liberal city and NBC is a ultra liberal network. Wouldn’t be shocked if they made a play for WDIV at all.



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Re: Comcast and NBC in Detroit

Post by Deleted User 8570 » Tue Mar 26, 2019 11:13 pm

CircleWXYZ wrote:
Tue Mar 26, 2019 10:43 pm
Do you guys see a scenario where NBC Universial/Comcast will make an attempt to buy WDIV, thus making Channel 4 an NBC O&O for the first time?

I am asking, because it seems like NBC is expanding its sports presence to become more competitive with Fox Sports.

Fox already has a big presence in Detroit with Fox Sports Detroit and O&O WJBK. Fox carries most of the Lions games.

Ever since Comcast bought NBC, it seems to be expanding.

I’ve always thought that NBC is seeking to have more of a presence in Michigan. I also wouldn’t be surprised if they tried to start an NBC Sports Detroit network.

Not saying this will happen, but I wouldn’t put it out of the realm of possibility. Besides, I don’t think Graham is doing well financially.

Detroit is a very liberal city and NBC is a ultra liberal network. Wouldn’t be shocked if they made a play for WDIV at all.
No.... why would anybody want to invest in a station in a shrinking market?



Deleted User 7620

Re: Comcast and NBC in Detroit

Post by Deleted User 7620 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:05 am

Fox and CBS invested in Detroit at a time when Detroit was on a decline.

Detroit is not only making a comeback, it’s still a top 12 market.



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Re: Comcast and NBC in Detroit

Post by Deleted User 8570 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:44 am

CircleWXYZ wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:05 am
Fox and CBS invested in Detroit at a time when Detroit was on a decline.

Detroit is not only making a comeback, it’s still a top 12 market.
Detroit is #14. FOX and CBS both invested when we were #5... the real decline from the top 10 started a little while after that. By 2006 we were #11. The city is making a comeback... the number of households in the nielsens is stagnant at best and in reality slowly declining while the markets above us grow by leaps and bounds. That’s how Tampa, Seattle, Phoenix and Houston got above us. For example WXYZ is now Scripps 3rd biggest station by DMA size and we trail Seattle and Phoenix by better than 100,000 households. Minneapolis and Miami are very close to making us 16th. Detroit is a backwater.



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Re: Comcast and NBC in Detroit

Post by stopnswop2 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 3:09 am

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Re: Comcast and NBC in Detroit

Post by Deleted User 7620 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:13 am

NS8401 wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:44 am
CircleWXYZ wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:05 am
Fox and CBS invested in Detroit at a time when Detroit was on a decline.

Detroit is not only making a comeback, it’s still a top 12 market.
Detroit is #14. FOX and CBS both invested when we were #5... the real decline from the top 10 started a little while after that. By 2006 we were #11. The city is making a comeback... the number of households in the nielsens is stagnant at best and in reality slowly declining while the markets above us grow by leaps and bounds. That’s how Tampa, Seattle, Phoenix and Houston got above us. For example WXYZ is now Scripps 3rd biggest station by DMA size and we trail Seattle and Phoenix by better than 100,000 households. Minneapolis and Miami are very close to making us 16th. Detroit is a backwater.
They invested in Detroit when the population was on a more severe decline than it is, now. Just read that Detroit is 13th. Must have recently changed.

Internet and streaming services are also a factor. There’s some cause for concern that the census is possibly not being counted accurately. Been discussed on the news before. Midtown and certain areas in Detroit has experienced a population increase.

Let’s not forget that Detroit is a NFL market. Seattle and Phoenix are both NFC cities, like Detroit. That’s why Fox owns stations in Detroit, Phoenix, and Atlanta, and why they are after Seattle.

NBC would also want Detroit because of the Red Wings, and NBC Sports covering the games. The Red Wings are not going to continue to be down, especially with the moves they are making to get better young talent here.



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Re: Comcast and NBC in Detroit

Post by JackAttack FM » Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:08 am

I'm sorry your premice doesn't make sense.

Fox is shrinking its presense in Detroit. It sold Fox Sports Detroit to Disney who is in the process of divesting FSD and its sister RSNs
I don’t think Graham is doing well financially.
Where do you get this from??? Graham Holdings NYSE stock went way up since November, they increased their dividend and they trade over $650 a share. You can go into their operating ratios for youself. But, it doesn't seem like what you said is true.

Detroit as a city is not a lucrative market. Most of the city of Detroit makes less then $25,000 and population growth is stagnant.

And this TV market, as of January 2019 is ranked 14th. Get your DMA facts from Nielsen. The Detroit DMA is about 80,000 households behind the real number 13.

WDIV has been one of NBC's top performing affiliates. You can see it about doubles 2's and 7's news ratings. At some point WDIV was the highest rated NBC affiliate in the Eastern Time Zone. So, NBC and WDIV do very well by each other.

Its always possible NBC could buy any station or even pull what it did in Boston. But, that scenario is turning ito a failure.

I see where Comcast is expanding but, its mostly in internet platforms and sports. I would actually like to see them pick-up FSD but, theyre apparently not in the bidding.
So, how many stations has NBC bought lately to make this part of expansion plausible?

Detroit's population estimate is still going down.
2016 -  677,116.
2019 - 673,104. 
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Re: Comcast and NBC in Detroit

Post by Deleted User 8570 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:11 am

CircleWXYZ wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:13 am
NS8401 wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:44 am
CircleWXYZ wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:05 am
Fox and CBS invested in Detroit at a time when Detroit was on a decline.

Detroit is not only making a comeback, it’s still a top 12 market.
Detroit is #14. FOX and CBS both invested when we were #5... the real decline from the top 10 started a little while after that. By 2006 we were #11. The city is making a comeback... the number of households in the nielsens is stagnant at best and in reality slowly declining while the markets above us grow by leaps and bounds. That’s how Tampa, Seattle, Phoenix and Houston got above us. For example WXYZ is now Scripps 3rd biggest station by DMA size and we trail Seattle and Phoenix by better than 100,000 households. Minneapolis and Miami are very close to making us 16th. Detroit is a backwater.
They invested in Detroit when the population was on a more severe decline than it is, now. Just read that Detroit is 13th. Must have recently changed.

Internet and streaming services are also a factor. There’s some cause for concern that the census is possibly not being counted accurately. Been discussed on the news before. Midtown and certain areas in Detroit has experienced a population increase.

Let’s not forget that Detroit is a NFL market. Seattle and Phoenix are both NFC cities, like Detroit. That’s why Fox owns stations in Detroit, Phoenix, and Atlanta, and why they are after Seattle.

NBC would also want Detroit because of the Red Wings, and NBC Sports covering the games. The Red Wings are not going to continue to be down, especially with the moves they are making to get better young talent here.
Don’t think in terms of raw population. You have to think in terms of households. So divide by 4. It also doesn’t matter if Detroit the city is going up slightly in some sections... you need to focus on Detroit the region. The red wings aren’t enough of a reason to spend hundreds of millions to start an RSN and buy a local TV station in the #14 and soon to be #16 market...



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Re: Comcast and NBC in Detroit

Post by Deleted User 7620 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:53 am

NS8401 wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:11 am
CircleWXYZ wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:13 am
NS8401 wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:44 am
CircleWXYZ wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:05 am
Fox and CBS invested in Detroit at a time when Detroit was on a decline.

Detroit is not only making a comeback, it’s still a top 12 market.
Detroit is #14. FOX and CBS both invested when we were #5... the real decline from the top 10 started a little while after that. By 2006 we were #11. The city is making a comeback... the number of households in the nielsens is stagnant at best and in reality slowly declining while the markets above us grow by leaps and bounds. That’s how Tampa, Seattle, Phoenix and Houston got above us. For example WXYZ is now Scripps 3rd biggest station by DMA size and we trail Seattle and Phoenix by better than 100,000 households. Minneapolis and Miami are very close to making us 16th. Detroit is a backwater.
They invested in Detroit when the population was on a more severe decline than it is, now. Just read that Detroit is 13th. Must have recently changed.

Internet and streaming services are also a factor. There’s some cause for concern that the census is possibly not being counted accurately. Been discussed on the news before. Midtown and certain areas in Detroit has experienced a population increase.

Let’s not forget that Detroit is a NFL market. Seattle and Phoenix are both NFC cities, like Detroit. That’s why Fox owns stations in Detroit, Phoenix, and Atlanta, and why they are after Seattle.

NBC would also want Detroit because of the Red Wings, and NBC Sports covering the games. The Red Wings are not going to continue to be down, especially with the moves they are making to get better young talent here.
Don’t think in terms of raw population. You have to think in terms of households. So divide by 4. It also doesn’t matter if Detroit the city is going up slightly in some sections... you need to focus on Detroit the region. The red wings aren’t enough of a reason to spend hundreds of millions to start an RSN and buy a local TV station in the #14 and soon to be #16 market...
Detroit is 13, not 14. Someone else already stated that.

Things are changing in Detroit. They are changing for the better. Soon, the old tired negative narrative will as well. That’s what some are looking at.
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Re: Comcast and NBC in Detroit

Post by Deleted User 7620 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:00 am

JackAttack FM wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:08 am
I'm sorry your premice doesn't make sense.

Fox is shrinking its presense in Detroit. It sold Fox Sports Detroit to Disney who is in the process of divesting FSD and its sister RSNs
I don’t think Graham is doing well financially.
Where do you get this from??? Graham Holdings NYSE stock went way up since November, they increased their dividend and they trade over $650 a share. You can go into their operating ratios for youself. But, it doesn't seem like what you said is true.

Detroit as a city is not a lucrative market. Most of the city of Detroit makes less then $25,000 and population growth is stagnant.

And this TV market, as of January 2019 is ranked 14th. Get your DMA facts from Nielsen. The Detroit DMA is about 80,000 households behind the real number 13.

WDIV has been one of NBC's top performing affiliates. You can see it about doubles 2's and 7's news ratings. At some point WDIV was the highest rated NBC affiliate in the Eastern Time Zone. So, NBC and WDIV do very well by each other.

Its always possible NBC could buy any station or even pull what it did in Boston. But, that scenario is turning ito a failure.

I see where Comcast is expanding but, its mostly in internet platforms and sports. I would actually like to see them pick-up FSD but, theyre apparently not in the bidding.
So, how many stations has NBC bought lately to make this part of expansion plausible?

Detroit's population estimate is still going down.
2016 -  677,116.
2019 - 673,104. 

Opinion, not fact.

Population decline has not only drastically slowed down, many are expecting it to show a slight increase very soon. This comes from people who are truly in the know.

The old tired negative narrative will have to change soon. Soon, the Detroit comeback will not just be shown in downtown and midtown. It will reflect the neighborhoods, too. Already in the process.

As for Fox, them selling its RSNs have nothing to do with Detroit. It’s the Disney deal.

Fox hasn’t sold WJBK, because again, Detroit is an NFC market. This is why Fox bought KTVU, and why it’s after the Seattle affiliate.



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Re: Comcast and NBC in Detroit

Post by Deleted User 8570 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:53 am

CircleWXYZ wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:53 am
NS8401 wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 10:11 am
CircleWXYZ wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 8:13 am
NS8401 wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:44 am
CircleWXYZ wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:05 am
Fox and CBS invested in Detroit at a time when Detroit was on a decline.

Detroit is not only making a comeback, it’s still a top 12 market.
Detroit is #14. FOX and CBS both invested when we were #5... the real decline from the top 10 started a little while after that. By 2006 we were #11. The city is making a comeback... the number of households in the nielsens is stagnant at best and in reality slowly declining while the markets above us grow by leaps and bounds. That’s how Tampa, Seattle, Phoenix and Houston got above us. For example WXYZ is now Scripps 3rd biggest station by DMA size and we trail Seattle and Phoenix by better than 100,000 households. Minneapolis and Miami are very close to making us 16th. Detroit is a backwater.
They invested in Detroit when the population was on a more severe decline than it is, now. Just read that Detroit is 13th. Must have recently changed.

Internet and streaming services are also a factor. There’s some cause for concern that the census is possibly not being counted accurately. Been discussed on the news before. Midtown and certain areas in Detroit has experienced a population increase.

Let’s not forget that Detroit is a NFL market. Seattle and Phoenix are both NFC cities, like Detroit. That’s why Fox owns stations in Detroit, Phoenix, and Atlanta, and why they are after Seattle.

NBC would also want Detroit because of the Red Wings, and NBC Sports covering the games. The Red Wings are not going to continue to be down, especially with the moves they are making to get better young talent here.
Don’t think in terms of raw population. You have to think in terms of households. So divide by 4. It also doesn’t matter if Detroit the city is going up slightly in some sections... you need to focus on Detroit the region. The red wings aren’t enough of a reason to spend hundreds of millions to start an RSN and buy a local TV station in the #14 and soon to be #16 market...
Detroit is 13, not 14. Someone else already stated that.

Things are changing in Detroit. They are changing for the better. Soon, the old tired negative narrative will as well. That’s what some are looking at.
We are 14... now you’re being stubborn...
https://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/cor ... ranker.pdf

Population gains of a few thousand are absolutely meaningless... we would need to be gaining a million or so to start gaining rankings... cities in the south and west are growing at a rapid rate... even if we start growing ever so slightly it won’t matter... we will be 16th very soon.

Even as far back as 1986 WXYZ was chosen for the sale over WJR because it didn’t meet revenue expectations compared to the other 4 stations ABC had.

FOX got WJBK in a purchase of a company and WWJ is CBS’s because they needed an affiliate NOW... nobody really has invested in Detroit network wise...



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Re: Comcast and NBC in Detroit

Post by fuzzpower » Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:57 am

Detroit proper is still declining. Just drive around the actual city and see for yourself. The growth and money are in some of the suburbs.

NBC/Comcast would be foolish to buy a station here unless it is for a deep discount.



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Re: Comcast and NBC in Detroit

Post by Deleted User 14935 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:05 pm

CircleWXYZ wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:05 am
Fox and CBS invested in Detroit at a time when Detroit was on a decline.

Detroit is not only making a comeback, it’s still a top 12 market.
Detroit is only making a comeback in the business district, Not the hood. The way I see it no comeback at all.
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Re: Comcast and NBC in Detroit

Post by Deleted User 7620 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:07 pm

fuzzpower wrote:
Wed Mar 27, 2019 11:57 am
Detroit proper is still declining. Just drive around the actual city and see for yourself. The growth and money are in some of the suburbs.

NBC/Comcast would be foolish to buy a station here unless it is for a deep discount.

It actually is improving, if you look at neighborhoods like Corktown. Just looking at downtown and midtown is proof enough that city is rebounding. However, downtown and midtown revitalization started in the late 1990s. They just started on neighborhoods recently. Nonetheless, sticking with the same ol city vs suburb is narrative is beyond foolish, especially with Duggan as Mayor. Duggan actually has a vision for the city and is making things happen. He has the leadership and the vision Coleman Young never had.

Times are changing and so is Detroit. This is coming from those who are truly in the know how and not some of us message board folks who can’t seem to let go of the past.

I’ve talked to someone who not only works in the city but are in the revitalization projects a few years ago. They said this would happen and they are right.
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Re: Comcast and NBC in Detroit

Post by Deleted User 14935 » Wed Mar 27, 2019 2:08 pm

Do you live in the city? I own houses in the city it’s not making a comeback. The only areas that are coming back is where the money is, Corktown is one of them because Ford Motor Co. Purchased the old train station, But what about SW Detroit no comeback.
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