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CKLW transmitter issues

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CKLW transmitter issues

Post by ZenithCKLW » Mon May 01, 2017 1:05 pm

I was listening to CKWW this morning when the music suddenly cut out and programming from 800 switched to 580. There are now lots of on-air announcements mentioning transmitter problems for 800. Does anyone know what's going on?

I am not hearing any temporary top of the hour CKWW announcements, only normal TOH for CKLW on 580, which surprises me.

For a minute, I was hoping 800 and 580 flipped formats again, LOL.

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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by yupislyr » Mon May 01, 2017 1:51 pm

http://www.iheartradio.ca/am800/news/tr ... -1.2578267
Transmitter Fire Causes AM800 To Broadcast On AM580

AM800 CKLW is currently broadcasting on its sister station AM580.

A fire at AM800's transmitter site, in the Amherstburg area, gets the blame. No word on what caused the fire or how much damage was done.

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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by jry » Mon May 01, 2017 3:22 pm

Wow. Kind of tells you what they all think about the programming on 580...

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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by audiophile » Mon May 01, 2017 5:25 pm

Maybe they will use this as an excuse to move the 580 format to FM?
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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by RingtailedFox » Mon May 01, 2017 5:44 pm

In Bell's defense, CKLW's programming is usually #1 in windsor-essex by a country mile, routinely getting a 10 or higher share, thanks to its hyperlocal focus on news, weather, traffic and talk programing... 580 is much more limited due to its lower power (500 watts, compared to 50,000 watts), and while it's OKAY, it's nowhere near the other Windsor/Leamington stations in the ratings...

So, no. I don't blame Bell for temporarily simulcasting 800 on 580. They want to keep their cash-cow (AM 800) operating and make sure listeners aren't wondering if the Big 8 is gone for good.

My prediction:
Bell soon applies for an HD Radio license for CIMX (89X) or CIDR (93.9 The River) to add FM-quality HD Radio simulcasts of AM 800 and AM 580 so if this happens again, the station won't be completely offline, and people will still be able to tune in if they have HD Radio tuners. It would be a very wise idea that I would actually support in full.
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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by MWmetalhead » Mon May 01, 2017 9:05 pm

Not only do I NOT blame them for this decision, it's a no-brainer!!!

CKLW is usually between a 15 and 20 share in Essex County. CKWW is usually near a 3 share.

Hearing CKLW's programming on AM 580 makes me appreciate how good AM 800's audio processing is. The processing on 580 isn't horrible but sounds nowhere nearly as good as AM 800's.
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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by audiophile » Tue May 02, 2017 5:56 am

They are back on this morning at reduced power.
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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by bixpchiphead » Tue May 02, 2017 11:53 am

MWmetalhead wrote:
Mon May 01, 2017 9:05 pm
Not only do I NOT blame them for this decision, it's a no-brainer!!!

CKLW is usually between a 15 and 20 share in Essex County. CKWW is usually near a 3 share.

Hearing CKLW's programming on AM 580 makes me appreciate how good AM 800's audio processing is. The processing on 580 isn't horrible but sounds nowhere nearly as good as AM 800's.
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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by Fingerboard Corners » Tue May 02, 2017 12:13 pm

bixpchiphead wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 11:53 am
[quote=MWmetalhead post_id=553470 time=<a href="tel:1493687143">1493687143</a> user_id=2]
Not only do I NOT blame them for this decision, it's a no-brainer!!!

CKLW is usually between a 15 and 20 share in Essex County. CKWW is usually near a 3 share.

Hearing CKLW's programming on AM 580 makes me appreciate how good AM 800's audio processing is. The processing on 580 isn't horrible but sounds nowhere nearly as good as AM 800's.
And somewhere, Ed Butterbaugh is smiling..... :D

I think what Ed Buterbaugh did was to make the frequency response of the CKLW array Lower Q to increase the bandwidth. I think CKWW has an old High Q narrow bandwidth array. Also, at 580, the audio frequencies represent a higher percentage of the carrier frequency, which makes it harder to do. WIND used to sound really great at 560 though, so I don't know what they did, but it is or was the best sounding AM I had ever heard at the low end of the dial. But you can only do so much with audio equalization and processing with a narrow band antenna. You could install "perfect" processing, but the antenna system has the same effect as listening to a narrow bandwidth receiver. And notice that every receiver makes AM audio sound a little different. What sounds good on a narrow band receiver sounds bad on a Sony SRF-A100 in wide bandwidth. CKLW sounded great in Stereo on that in the Wide Bandwidth Motorola position though.
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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by SolarMax » Tue May 02, 2017 1:06 pm

audiophile wrote:
Tue May 02, 2017 5:56 am
They are back on this morning at reduced power.
I heard them briefly overnight, actually seemed stronger; less background noise and I couldn't completely null them out as usual by turning the radio/loopstick antenna.

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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by 1027BrianFM » Tue May 02, 2017 1:35 pm

Hearing them just fine here in NW Ohio. I am thinking one of these days 580 may flip to sports but CKLW definitely has priority so it made sense to do this.

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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by syntheticexctasy » Tue May 02, 2017 2:26 pm

580 certainly gets out very well for 500 watts...

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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by jry » Tue May 02, 2017 3:39 pm

[quote=RingtailedFox post_id=553458 time=1493675071 user_id=9191]
In Bell's defense, CKLW's programming is usually #1 in windsor-essex by a country mile, routinely getting a 10 or higher share, thanks to its hyperlocal focus on news, weather, traffic and talk programing... 580 is much more limited due to its lower power (500 watts, compared to 50,000 watts), and while it's OKAY, it's nowhere near the other Windsor/Leamington stations in the ratings...

So, no. I don't blame Bell for temporarily simulcasting 800 on 580. They want to keep their cash-cow (AM 800) operating and make sure listeners aren't wondering if the Big 8 is gone for good.

My prediction:
Bell soon applies for an HD Radio license for CIMX (89X) or CIDR (93.9 The River) to add FM-quality HD Radio simulcasts of AM 800 and AM 580 so if this happens again, the station won't be completely offline, and people will still be able to tune in if they have HD Radio tuners. It would be a very wise idea that I would actually support in full.
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They probably have to offer a discount to their advertisers due to the decreased coverage area and that some of them may not know that they can find 800s programming on 580.

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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by ZenithCKLW » Tue May 02, 2017 3:41 pm

If insurance would cover the fire, do you think insurance would also cover any discounts potentially due to the advertiser as a result of the fire?

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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by Ed Joseph » Tue May 02, 2017 7:47 pm

LOL the pic in the story shows a CB radio and Astatic D104 microphone. That must be 580's transmitter!
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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by WOHO » Thu May 04, 2017 9:02 am

We have the late great Ed Butterbaugh to thank for the fantastic audio on the CKLW transmitter, especially when it ran the Harris AM Stereo music back in the early 80's, and then he came over to WJR and made their Motorola AM Stereo sound great- even the Thanksgiving Day parade was in stereo, as were the Tiger's home games!

With 89X's dismal ratings, moving CKWW there almost makes sense.

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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by jry » Thu May 04, 2017 1:39 pm

Didn't CKLW run the Kahn system, before going to C-Quam? Seems to me, we demo's it at an auto show, decades ago.

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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by Fingerboard Corners » Thu May 04, 2017 1:47 pm

I think it was Harris, then they modified it to Motorola. In any event, it used the same position on the Sony SRF-A100. I called Leonard Kahn a few times, and he wanted me to try to talk them into changing to Kahn, but I don't think they ever were. A true Genius. RIP Leonard.

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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by RingtailedFox » Fri May 05, 2017 10:59 pm

WOHO wrote:
Thu May 04, 2017 9:02 am
We have the late great Ed Butterbaugh to thank for the fantastic audio on the CKLW transmitter, especially when it ran the Harris AM Stereo music back in the early 80's, and then he came over to WJR and made their Motorola AM Stereo sound great- even the Thanksgiving Day parade was in stereo, as were the Tiger's home games!

With 89X's dismal ratings, moving CKWW there almost makes sense.
with how bad 89X is managed these days, soon CKWW will be outperforming it in the ratings... maybe thats the plan: mismanage it so its ratings tank so hard, AM 580 gets a home on the FM dial... :P
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Re: CKLW transmitter issues

Post by jry » Mon May 08, 2017 3:15 pm

[quote="Fingerboard Corners" post_id=553623 time=1493920045 user_id=7180]
I think it was Harris, then they modified it to Motorola. In any event, it used the same position on the Sony SRF-A100. I called Leonard Kahn a few times, and he wanted me to try to talk them into changing to Kahn, but I don't think they ever were. A true Genius. RIP Leonard.
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I used to talk to Leonard a lot. We were a powerside and clear customer. When he switched to Cam-D and wanted 25K per upgrade, we just couldn't justify it as no one had receivers. He got really ticked at me and wrote me off. Never called or took my calls, again. Up until that, we were great friends. What screwed him up with his version of AMS was he wanted too much of a royalty for his chipset. If he had been reasonable, we'd be using the Kahn system.

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