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Ethnicity about to become clearer

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Re: Ethnicity about to become clearer

Post by TC Talks » Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:57 pm

bmw wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:42 am
I mostly side with RT on this one, though in principle I don't necessarily have a problem with the government compiling race and ethnicity data. The problem is, as km points out, that the government uses that data for purely political purposes.
Explain how the data is political?


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Re: Ethnicity about to become clearer

Post by bmw » Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:17 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:57 pm
bmw wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:42 am
I mostly side with RT on this one, though in principle I don't necessarily have a problem with the government compiling race and ethnicity data. The problem is, as km points out, that the government uses that data for purely political purposes.
Explain how the data is political?
Is this a serious question? The data itself isn't political, but the government uses it to divide people into groups. Identity politics.

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Re: Ethnicity about to become clearer

Post by radiofann » Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:38 pm

I didn’t see middle eastern people listed under “white” in that chart. Maybe I missed something.

I do recall George Zimmerman being labeled a “white hispanic” back during 2012 and the trial where he was charged with murder of Trayvon martin.

And here from NPR a term “multi-racial whiteness” came about when some people noticed “hey some of those J6 rioters look like they are not white, they are people of color”

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/24/96006095 ... supporters

Society is all over the map on these categories.

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Re: Ethnicity about to become clearer

Post by Rate This » Sat Mar 30, 2024 2:42 pm

radiofann wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:38 pm
I didn’t see middle eastern people listed under “white” in that chart. Maybe I missed something.

I do recall George Zimmerman being labeled a “white hispanic” back during 2012 and the trial where he was charged with murder of Trayvon martin.

And here from NPR a term “multi-racial whiteness” came about when some people noticed “hey some of those J6 rioters look like they are not white, they are people of color”

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/24/96006095 ... supporters

Society is all over the map on these categories.
At one point Irish and Italians weren’t considered white. It’s whatever the people of the time want it to be.

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Re: Ethnicity about to become clearer

Post by radiofann » Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:12 pm

Asians (that term by itself way too over-encompassing) are considered “white-adjacent”

We Need to Talk About What It Means to Be ‘White-Adjacent’ in Tech
https://medium.com/projectinclude/we-ne ... 1fbcce7a42

Are Asian Americans White? Or People of Color?
https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-just ... e-of-color

Critical Race Theory Has No Idea What To Do With Asian Americans | Opinion
https://www.newsweek.com/critical-race- ... on-1608984

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Re: Ethnicity about to become clearer

Post by Rate This » Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:22 pm

radiofann wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:12 pm
Asians (that term by itself way too over-encompassing) are considered “white-adjacent”

We Need to Talk About What It Means to Be ‘White-Adjacent’ in Tech
https://medium.com/projectinclude/we-ne ... 1fbcce7a42

Are Asian Americans White? Or People of Color?
https://www.yesmagazine.org/social-just ... e-of-color

Critical Race Theory Has No Idea What To Do With Asian Americans | Opinion
https://www.newsweek.com/critical-race- ... on-1608984
I had a friend who was born in the 1940’s… his description of them was “they are the closest to us”… not exactly an enlightened opinion… many of them have one hell of a work ethic though.

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Re: Ethnicity about to become clearer

Post by TC Talks » Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:32 pm

bmw wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:17 pm
TC Talks wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 12:57 pm
bmw wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 11:42 am
I mostly side with RT on this one, though in principle I don't necessarily have a problem with the government compiling race and ethnicity data. The problem is, as km points out, that the government uses that data for purely political purposes.
Explain how the data is political?
Is this a serious question? The data itself isn't political, but the government uses it to divide people into groups. Identity politics.
Kind of what Trump does, but in a deplorable manner?
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Re: Ethnicity about to become clearer

Post by radiofann » Sat Mar 30, 2024 3:37 pm

I found studies such as this yielding data such as this very interesting (I do not know how to post pictures, any pointers?) thanks

https://twitter.com/Mark_J_Perry/status ... 1637873670

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Re: Ethnicity about to become clearer

Post by Graham Wellington » Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:17 pm

radiofann wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:38 pm
I didn’t see middle eastern people listed under “white” in that chart. Maybe I missed something.

I do recall George Zimmerman being labeled a “white hispanic” back during 2012 and the trial where he was charged with murder of Trayvon martin.

And here from NPR a term “multi-racial whiteness” came about when some people noticed “hey some of those J6 rioters look like they are not white, they are people of color”

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/24/96006095 ... supporters

Society is all over the map on these categories.
Man, textbook NPR interview right there. Beginning answers with "so". Interviewer who pronounces the name of the interviewee "in Spanish". Interview featuring some random activist professor touting some off the wall idea. I will subtract points however for interviewing a woman who didn't use excessive amounts of vocal fry or upspeak.

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Re: Ethnicity about to become clear

Post by radiofann » Sun Mar 31, 2024 12:01 am

Well, in 2023 we learned from Van Jones on CNN (repeated by many others) black law enforcement officers can be racist against black drivers


Opinion: The police who killed Tyre Nichols were Black. But they might still have been driven by racism

https://www.cnn.com/2023/01/27/opinions ... index.html


Even within identity groups, there is intra-group discrimination. So painting people into groups to foment identity politics takes away the agency and ability of those group members to think individually for themselves.

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Re: Ethnicity about to become clearer

Post by TC Talks » Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:15 am

Graham Wellington wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:17 pm
radiofann wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:38 pm
I didn’t see middle eastern people listed under “white” in that chart. Maybe I missed something.

I do recall George Zimmerman being labeled a “white hispanic” back during 2012 and the trial where he was charged with murder of Trayvon martin.

And here from NPR a term “multi-racial whiteness” came about when some people noticed “hey some of those J6 rioters look like they are not white, they are people of color”

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/24/96006095 ... supporters

Society is all over the map on these categories.
Man, textbook NPR interview right there. Beginning answers with "so". Interviewer who pronounces the name of the interviewee "in Spanish". Interview featuring some random activist professor touting some off the wall idea. I will subtract points however for interviewing a woman who didn't use excessive amounts of vocal fry or upspeak.
Do you struggle to understand that White Male perspective is no longer the only perspective?

Stick to Fox and nothing will Russell your Jimmies
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Re: Ethnicity about to become clearer

Post by Rate This » Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:18 am

TC Talks wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:15 am
Graham Wellington wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:17 pm
radiofann wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:38 pm
I didn’t see middle eastern people listed under “white” in that chart. Maybe I missed something.

I do recall George Zimmerman being labeled a “white hispanic” back during 2012 and the trial where he was charged with murder of Trayvon martin.

And here from NPR a term “multi-racial whiteness” came about when some people noticed “hey some of those J6 rioters look like they are not white, they are people of color”

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/24/96006095 ... supporters

Society is all over the map on these categories.
Man, textbook NPR interview right there. Beginning answers with "so". Interviewer who pronounces the name of the interviewee "in Spanish". Interview featuring some random activist professor touting some off the wall idea. I will subtract points however for interviewing a woman who didn't use excessive amounts of vocal fry or upspeak.
Do you struggle to understand that White Male perspective is no longer the only perspective?

Stick to Fox and nothing will Russell your Jimmies
You gotta admit they sound like they have a I’m smarter than you thing going on when they start with “So…”

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Re: Ethnicity about to become clearer

Post by Graham Wellington » Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:35 am

Rate This wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2024 9:18 am
TC Talks wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:15 am
Graham Wellington wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:17 pm
radiofann wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:38 pm
I didn’t see middle eastern people listed under “white” in that chart. Maybe I missed something.

I do recall George Zimmerman being labeled a “white hispanic” back during 2012 and the trial where he was charged with murder of Trayvon martin.

And here from NPR a term “multi-racial whiteness” came about when some people noticed “hey some of those J6 rioters look like they are not white, they are people of color”

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/24/96006095 ... supporters

Society is all over the map on these categories.
Man, textbook NPR interview right there. Beginning answers with "so". Interviewer who pronounces the name of the interviewee "in Spanish". Interview featuring some random activist professor touting some off the wall idea. I will subtract points however for interviewing a woman who didn't use excessive amounts of vocal fry or upspeak.
Do you struggle to understand that White Male perspective is no longer the only perspective?

Stick to Fox and nothing will Russell your Jimmies
You gotta admit they sound like they have a I’m smarter than you thing going on when they start with “So…”
Bingo, and almost every interaction on NPR has someone starting a sentence with "Sooo...". Both guests and staff. It has to be coached. It's drinking game material.

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Re: Ethnicity about to become clearer

Post by Graham Wellington » Sun Mar 31, 2024 10:38 am

TC Talks wrote:
Sun Mar 31, 2024 8:15 am
Graham Wellington wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 10:17 pm
radiofann wrote:
Sat Mar 30, 2024 1:38 pm
I didn’t see middle eastern people listed under “white” in that chart. Maybe I missed something.

I do recall George Zimmerman being labeled a “white hispanic” back during 2012 and the trial where he was charged with murder of Trayvon martin.

And here from NPR a term “multi-racial whiteness” came about when some people noticed “hey some of those J6 rioters look like they are not white, they are people of color”

https://www.npr.org/2021/01/24/96006095 ... supporters

Society is all over the map on these categories.
Man, textbook NPR interview right there. Beginning answers with "so". Interviewer who pronounces the name of the interviewee "in Spanish". Interview featuring some random activist professor touting some off the wall idea. I will subtract points however for interviewing a woman who didn't use excessive amounts of vocal fry or upspeak.
Do you struggle to understand that White Male perspective is no longer the only perspective?

Stick to Fox and nothing will Russell your Jimmies
I'm fine with different perspectives. That is great all across the board. That doesn't mean none of those perspectives aren't off the wall, extreme, or downright stupid. Blaming white men for the actions of someone who isn't a white man is far out there at best.

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Re: Ethnicity about to become clearer

Post by TC Talks » Sun Mar 31, 2024 2:51 pm

I think Fox earns that criticism daily.
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