Trump is DONE

[Matt]

That's not what I see. What I see is people on both sides who are genuinely concerned about the future of our country. We just have wildly differences of opinion on both the means and the end.

This is bullshit, evidenced by the fact that the two presumptive nominees are Donald Trump and Joe Biden. These should be retirement home roommates - they should not be competing for leader of the free world.

[Honeyman]

You've already said you'd vote for Newsom, who even Honeyman admits belongs nowhere near the Oval office. So you've ceded the right to call others morons for who they vote for.

So I'm curious - which of Newsom's policies do you support?

Ask Honeyman who he would vote for between Trump and Newsom if he lived in a swing state.

I already asked him that EXACT question back in November of 2022. First I asked him if he'd vote for Newsom, to which he said no, that he has no problem voting third party. Then I followed that up by asking him if he'd vote for Newsom if he lived in Michigan. His answer? "I don't find him equally objectionable as Trump. But unlike you, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils if that person is deplorable in my eyes."

So there you have it. Honeyman's opinion of Newsom is that he is "deplorable."

FWIW, I don't like Gavin Newsom. I think he's a phony. Out for himself, dishonest, duplicit. Like most politicians, but smoother.

I live in California, so my vote will not sway who might win an election, certainly not for president, so I almost always vote 3rd party as my own "statement". If it was an election between Trump and Newsom, I would 100% prefer that Newsom won. The fact that I would not check his box is my personal matter.

So would you hold your nose if you didn’t have that California bubble to allow you to safely vote third party knowing the democrat is a lock? If you were in a state where the vote between the two was gonna be 10,000 or so apart would you still protest but hope Trump loses? And no you don’t know the 10,000 bit ahead of time. It’s a real nail biter… you are sick to your stomach worried about Newsom blowing this…

I honestly don't know what I would do if I still lived in Michigan and my vote might actually count. I believe I would still vote third party, but the actual belief of a 2nd Trump term might indeed sway me.

You realize not being able to pull the lever for the one of the major candidates is how we got here right?

No, the antiquated electoral college system is how we got here.

[Mega Hertz]

This could just be a drug flashback talking, but what if we had it set up so that the winner of the popular vote becomes president, and the presidential candidate of the losing party becomes vice president? It makes them have to get out and work EVERY state. Not just NY and CA or TX and FL.

[Honeyman]

Awful lot of anger in this section this morning.

Why doesn't everyone stop by my house and I'll make the big breakfast. Home made hash browns, sausages, fried eggs and toast. We'll sit and have a nice, peaceful meal together.

I'll bring the Bloody Mary fixins......just tomato juice for you, Mega.

[Mega Hertz]

Awful lot of anger in this section this morning.

Why doesn't everyone stop by my house and I'll make the big breakfast. Home made hash browns, sausages, fried eggs and toast. We'll sit and have a nice, peaceful meal together.

I'll bring the Bloody Mary fixins......just tomato juice for you, Mega.

Sounds good. I am the king of red bull vodka with just red bull lol

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This could just be a drug flashback talking, but what if we had it set up so that the winner of the popular vote becomes president, and the presidential candidate of the losing party becomes vice president? It makes them have to get out and work EVERY state. Not just NY and CA or TX and FL.

Eliminating the electoral college does the same thing without installing two people in power for 4 years who want murder each other.

You've already said you'd vote for Newsom, who even Honeyman admits belongs nowhere near the Oval office. So you've ceded the right to call others morons for who they vote for.

So I'm curious - which of Newsom's policies do you support?

Ask Honeyman who he would vote for between Trump and Newsom if he lived in a swing state.

I already asked him that EXACT question back in November of 2022. First I asked him if he'd vote for Newsom, to which he said no, that he has no problem voting third party. Then I followed that up by asking him if he'd vote for Newsom if he lived in Michigan. His answer? "I don't find him equally objectionable as Trump. But unlike you, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils if that person is deplorable in my eyes."

So there you have it. Honeyman's opinion of Newsom is that he is "deplorable."

FWIW, I don't like Gavin Newsom. I think he's a phony. Out for himself, dishonest, duplicit. Like most politicians, but smoother.

I live in California, so my vote will not sway who might win an election, certainly not for president, so I almost always vote 3rd party as my own "statement". If it was an election between Trump and Newsom, I would 100% prefer that Newsom won. The fact that I would not check his box is my personal matter.

So would you hold your nose if you didn’t have that California bubble to allow you to safely vote third party knowing the democrat is a lock? If you were in a state where the vote between the two was gonna be 10,000 or so apart would you still protest but hope Trump loses? And no you don’t know the 10,000 bit ahead of time. It’s a real nail biter… you are sick to your stomach worried about Newsom blowing this…

I honestly don't know what I would do if I still lived in Michigan and my vote might actually count. I believe I would still vote third party, but the actual belief of a 2nd Trump term might indeed sway me.

You realize not being able to pull the lever for the one of the major candidates is how we got here right?

No, the antiquated electoral college system is how we got here.

You have to work with in the system you have not the one you want. Had those morons who voted Stein in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania not done so in 2016 Trump would have lost.

[Honeyman]

This could just be a drug flashback talking, but what if we had it set up so that the winner of the popular vote becomes president, and the presidential candidate of the losing party becomes vice president? It makes them have to get out and work EVERY state. Not just NY and CA or TX and FL.

Eliminating the electoral college does the same thing without installing two people in power for 4 years who want murder each other.

You've already said you'd vote for Newsom, who even Honeyman admits belongs nowhere near the Oval office. So you've ceded the right to call others morons for who they vote for.

So I'm curious - which of Newsom's policies do you support?

Ask Honeyman who he would vote for between Trump and Newsom if he lived in a swing state.

I already asked him that EXACT question back in November of 2022. First I asked him if he'd vote for Newsom, to which he said no, that he has no problem voting third party. Then I followed that up by asking him if he'd vote for Newsom if he lived in Michigan. His answer? "I don't find him equally objectionable as Trump. But unlike you, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils if that person is deplorable in my eyes."

So there you have it. Honeyman's opinion of Newsom is that he is "deplorable."

FWIW, I don't like Gavin Newsom. I think he's a phony. Out for himself, dishonest, duplicit. Like most politicians, but smoother.

I live in California, so my vote will not sway who might win an election, certainly not for president, so I almost always vote 3rd party as my own "statement". If it was an election between Trump and Newsom, I would 100% prefer that Newsom won. The fact that I would not check his box is my personal matter.

So would you hold your nose if you didn’t have that California bubble to allow you to safely vote third party knowing the democrat is a lock? If you were in a state where the vote between the two was gonna be 10,000 or so apart would you still protest but hope Trump loses? And no you don’t know the 10,000 bit ahead of time. It’s a real nail biter… you are sick to your stomach worried about Newsom blowing this…

I honestly don't know what I would do if I still lived in Michigan and my vote might actually count. I believe I would still vote third party, but the actual belief of a 2nd Trump term might indeed sway me.

You realize not being able to pull the lever for the one of the major candidates is how we got here right?

No, the antiquated electoral college system is how we got here.

You have to work with in the system you have not the one you want. Had those morons who voted Stein in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania not done so in 2016 Trump would have lost.

Not if you want change.

The system is broken. Biden v. Trump AGAIN proves this.

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This could just be a drug flashback talking, but what if we had it set up so that the winner of the popular vote becomes president, and the presidential candidate of the losing party becomes vice president? It makes them have to get out and work EVERY state. Not just NY and CA or TX and FL.

Eliminating the electoral college does the same thing without installing two people in power for 4 years who want murder each other.

You've already said you'd vote for Newsom, who even Honeyman admits belongs nowhere near the Oval office. So you've ceded the right to call others morons for who they vote for.

So I'm curious - which of Newsom's policies do you support?

Ask Honeyman who he would vote for between Trump and Newsom if he lived in a swing state.

I already asked him that EXACT question back in November of 2022. First I asked him if he'd vote for Newsom, to which he said no, that he has no problem voting third party. Then I followed that up by asking him if he'd vote for Newsom if he lived in Michigan. His answer? "I don't find him equally objectionable as Trump. But unlike you, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils if that person is deplorable in my eyes."

So there you have it. Honeyman's opinion of Newsom is that he is "deplorable."

FWIW, I don't like Gavin Newsom. I think he's a phony. Out for himself, dishonest, duplicit. Like most politicians, but smoother.

I live in California, so my vote will not sway who might win an election, certainly not for president, so I almost always vote 3rd party as my own "statement". If it was an election between Trump and Newsom, I would 100% prefer that Newsom won. The fact that I would not check his box is my personal matter.

So would you hold your nose if you didn’t have that California bubble to allow you to safely vote third party knowing the democrat is a lock? If you were in a state where the vote between the two was gonna be 10,000 or so apart would you still protest but hope Trump loses? And no you don’t know the 10,000 bit ahead of time. It’s a real nail biter… you are sick to your stomach worried about Newsom blowing this…

I honestly don't know what I would do if I still lived in Michigan and my vote might actually count. I believe I would still vote third party, but the actual belief of a 2nd Trump term might indeed sway me.

You realize not being able to pull the lever for the one of the major candidates is how we got here right?

No, the antiquated electoral college system is how we got here.

You have to work with in the system you have not the one you want. Had those morons who voted Stein in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania not done so in 2016 Trump would have lost.

Not if you want change.

The system is broken. Biden v. Trump AGAIN proves this.

You work within the one you have to get the one you want. You can't just stand outside on the corner screaming. That's what a third party vote is. Nobody cares about you at that point. None, zero, zilch. Voting third party does nothing to fix anything except maybe your feelings or something.

[Honeyman]

This could just be a drug flashback talking, but what if we had it set up so that the winner of the popular vote becomes president, and the presidential candidate of the losing party becomes vice president? It makes them have to get out and work EVERY state. Not just NY and CA or TX and FL.

Eliminating the electoral college does the same thing without installing two people in power for 4 years who want murder each other.

You've already said you'd vote for Newsom, who even Honeyman admits belongs nowhere near the Oval office. So you've ceded the right to call others morons for who they vote for.

So I'm curious - which of Newsom's policies do you support?

Ask Honeyman who he would vote for between Trump and Newsom if he lived in a swing state.

I already asked him that EXACT question back in November of 2022. First I asked him if he'd vote for Newsom, to which he said no, that he has no problem voting third party. Then I followed that up by asking him if he'd vote for Newsom if he lived in Michigan. His answer? "I don't find him equally objectionable as Trump. But unlike you, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils if that person is deplorable in my eyes."

So there you have it. Honeyman's opinion of Newsom is that he is "deplorable."

FWIW, I don't like Gavin Newsom. I think he's a phony. Out for himself, dishonest, duplicit. Like most politicians, but smoother.

I live in California, so my vote will not sway who might win an election, certainly not for president, so I almost always vote 3rd party as my own "statement". If it was an election between Trump and Newsom, I would 100% prefer that Newsom won. The fact that I would not check his box is my personal matter.

So would you hold your nose if you didn’t have that California bubble to allow you to safely vote third party knowing the democrat is a lock? If you were in a state where the vote between the two was gonna be 10,000 or so apart would you still protest but hope Trump loses? And no you don’t know the 10,000 bit ahead of time. It’s a real nail biter… you are sick to your stomach worried about Newsom blowing this…

I honestly don't know what I would do if I still lived in Michigan and my vote might actually count. I believe I would still vote third party, but the actual belief of a 2nd Trump term might indeed sway me.

You realize not being able to pull the lever for the one of the major candidates is how we got here right?

No, the antiquated electoral college system is how we got here.

You have to work with in the system you have not the one you want. Had those morons who voted Stein in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania not done so in 2016 Trump would have lost.

Not if you want change.

The system is broken. Biden v. Trump AGAIN proves this.

You work within the one you have to get the one you want. You can't just stand outside on the corner screaming. That's what a third party vote is. Nobody cares about you at that point. None, zero, zilch. Voting third party does nothing to fix anything except maybe your feelings or something.

Because. The. System. Is. Broken.

Ross Perot got almost 20% of the popular vote 30 years ago. And he was a lunatic. It is possible to break up the 2 party system. I agree it might never happen, certainly not in my lifetime. But voting for the lesser of two evils is not the answer. It's submission to a failed system.

[TC Talks]

At the end of the day, the electoral college benefits Wealthy constituents on both sides. Don't expect it to go away anytime soon.

People in power tend not to let go of advantageous rules without a fight.

[Honeyman]

At the end of the day, the electoral college benefits Wealthy constituents on both sides. Don't expect it to go away anytime soon.

People in power tend not to let go of advantageous rules without a fight.

Exactly. Hence the 2 party system. The Republicans and Democrats won't change it. Only the people can.

[TC Talks]

At the end of the day, the electoral college benefits Wealthy constituents on both sides. Don't expect it to go away anytime soon.

People in power tend not to let go of advantageous rules without a fight.

Exactly. Hence the 2 party system. The Republicans and Democrats won't change it. Only the people can.

We could make guns illegal sooner than eliminating the electoral college.

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This could just be a drug flashback talking, but what if we had it set up so that the winner of the popular vote becomes president, and the presidential candidate of the losing party becomes vice president? It makes them have to get out and work EVERY state. Not just NY and CA or TX and FL.

Eliminating the electoral college does the same thing without installing two people in power for 4 years who want murder each other.

You've already said you'd vote for Newsom, who even Honeyman admits belongs nowhere near the Oval office. So you've ceded the right to call others morons for who they vote for.

So I'm curious - which of Newsom's policies do you support?

Ask Honeyman who he would vote for between Trump and Newsom if he lived in a swing state.

I already asked him that EXACT question back in November of 2022. First I asked him if he'd vote for Newsom, to which he said no, that he has no problem voting third party. Then I followed that up by asking him if he'd vote for Newsom if he lived in Michigan. His answer? "I don't find him equally objectionable as Trump. But unlike you, I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils if that person is deplorable in my eyes."

So there you have it. Honeyman's opinion of Newsom is that he is "deplorable."

FWIW, I don't like Gavin Newsom. I think he's a phony. Out for himself, dishonest, duplicit. Like most politicians, but smoother.

I live in California, so my vote will not sway who might win an election, certainly not for president, so I almost always vote 3rd party as my own "statement". If it was an election between Trump and Newsom, I would 100% prefer that Newsom won. The fact that I would not check his box is my personal matter.

So would you hold your nose if you didn’t have that California bubble to allow you to safely vote third party knowing the democrat is a lock? If you were in a state where the vote between the two was gonna be 10,000 or so apart would you still protest but hope Trump loses? And no you don’t know the 10,000 bit ahead of time. It’s a real nail biter… you are sick to your stomach worried about Newsom blowing this…

I honestly don't know what I would do if I still lived in Michigan and my vote might actually count. I believe I would still vote third party, but the actual belief of a 2nd Trump term might indeed sway me.

You realize not being able to pull the lever for the one of the major candidates is how we got here right?

No, the antiquated electoral college system is how we got here.

You have to work with in the system you have not the one you want. Had those morons who voted Stein in Michigan, Wisconsin and Pennsylvania not done so in 2016 Trump would have lost.

Not if you want change.

The system is broken. Biden v. Trump AGAIN proves this.

You work within the one you have to get the one you want. You can't just stand outside on the corner screaming. That's what a third party vote is. Nobody cares about you at that point. None, zero, zilch. Voting third party does nothing to fix anything except maybe your feelings or something.

Because. The. System. Is. Broken.

Ross Perot got almost 20% of the popular vote 30 years ago. And he was a lunatic. It is possible to break up the 2 party system. I agree it might never happen, certainly not in my lifetime. But voting for the lesser of two evils is not the answer. It's submission to a failed system.

And it is your best chance of getting something you don't want: Trump. So perhaps you are a closeted Trumper?

[km1125]

Because. The. System. Is. Broken.

Ross Perot got almost 20% of the popular vote 30 years ago. And he was a lunatic. It is possible to break up the 2 party system. I agree it might never happen, certainly not in my lifetime. But voting for the lesser of two evils is not the answer. It's submission to a failed system.

Perot might have sounded like a lunatic, but he was smarter and more engaged than 99% of the politicians that are in office.

But trying to work with Congress would have been worse than working with the Board at GM, so he likely might not have actually accomplished much if he had won.

[TC Talks]

Because. The. System. Is. Broken.

Ross Perot got almost 20% of the popular vote 30 years ago. And he was a lunatic. It is possible to break up the 2 party system. I agree it might never happen, certainly not in my lifetime. But voting for the lesser of two evils is not the answer. It's submission to a failed system.

Perot might have sounded like a lunatic, but he was smarter and more engaged than 99% of the politicians that are in office.

But trying to work with Congress would have been worse than working with the Board at GM, so he likely might not have actually accomplished much if he had won.

No he wasn't, he just appealed to people who didn't have much grip on reality, like you.