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Republican fascism

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Republican fascism

Post by TC Talks » Sat Jan 20, 2024 9:56 am

Republicans keep trying to steal our rights. Isn't thought control the essence of fascism?

This seems to open the door to limiting what is said on faith based radio, don't you?
Universities have always been a home for the world’s great arguments. Professors and students are supposed to debate the issues of the moment, gaining understanding of the other side’s views, refining and strengthening their positions, and learning how to solve problems. Argument thrives in a culture of openness, and maintaining that culture ought to be paramount for universities, as well as any institution that wants to shape public policy or debate.

There are many ways to stifle a culture of openness; in recent years, both the far left and the far right have shown a willingness to win arguments by silencing the other side. But the threat that Americans should be most concerned about is any attempt by government to limit the freedom of individuals to express their views or to dictate what they say.

That is what happened when Nathan Thrall, a writer on Israeli-Palestinian issues, was invited by the University of Arkansas to speak on the subject last year, and an ideological barrier imposed by the state government prevented him from joining that debate. Mr. Thrall, like everyone else who enters a business relationship to an arm of the Arkansas government, was required by state law, as stipulated by the contract for his speaking fee, to sign a pledge that he would not boycott Israel. He refused to do so, calling the requirement “McCarthyist” and an affront to his free-speech rights.

This meant that he was unable to share his perspective, informed by years of experience writing about the relationship between Israelis and Palestinians, at a time when students have a desperate need to understand the causes and effects of the war between Israel and Hamas in Gaza. The campus has lost many other speakers for the same reason, and students say they are missing out on the chance to hear a variety of voices.

“As the conflict rages in the Middle East and we attempt to make sense of it, we find our ability to listen to and learn from multiple perspectives and foster an informed conversation radically curtailed by the university’s interpretation of the statute,” one group of students and teachers wrote in a petition to remove the pledge.

The Arkansas regulation is part of a disturbing trend by state governments to silence speakers on subjects including race, gender, slavery and American history. The measures they have imposed restrict both academic freedom — the freedom to explore ideas and pursue research independently, without interference by the state — and freedom of expression more broadly.

The Arkansas regulation is part of a disturbing trend by state governments to silence speakers on subjects including race, gender, slavery and American history. The measures they have imposed restrict both academic freedom — the freedom to explore ideas and pursue research independently, without interference by the state — and freedom of expression more broadly.

Americans may disagree about boycotts as a matter of policy. (This editorial board doesn’t support boycotting Israel.) But as an act of protest, support for the boycott, divestment and sanctions movement falls clearly within the realm of free expression protected by the First Amendment. Arkansas and more than two dozen other states have enacted laws that prohibit state contractors from engaging in a boycott. These laws are abridging the speech of those individuals, groups and companies, and so represent a violation of their constitutional rights. In 1982, the Supreme Court unanimously agreed that nonviolent political boycotts were protected speech and could not be prohibited by government officials.

Several federal judges have made that point about the laws targeting Israel boycotts, and a few states have weakened their laws as a result.

“The certification that one is not engaged in a boycott of Israel is no different than requiring a person to espouse certain political beliefs or to engage in certain political associations,” wrote a U.S. District judge, Mark Cohen in 2021, striking down an anti-boycott statute in Georgia. “The Supreme Court has found similar requirements to be unconstitutional on their face.”

Unfortunately, the federal appeals court based in Atlanta chose not to overturn the Georgia statute last June, relying in part on a 2022 decision by another appeals court that the Arkansas anti-boycott statute was constitutional. That ruling was based on an unusually convoluted logic that said the law was intended to regulate commercial activity, not speech.

In fact, the law is entirely about religion and politics, not commerce, as its lead sponsor, State Senator Bart Hester, made clear to The Times last year, and it was clearly intended to restrict speech. Mr. Hester said he was glad the law blocked Mr. Thrall’s appearance. “Keeping someone who wants to come speak on behalf of terrorists off our college campuses is a win,” he said.

Last February, the Supreme Court declined to review the Arkansas ruling, leaving the anti-boycott law in place. The court has not explicitly ruled that anti-boycott laws are constitutional; in the absence of such a ruling, courts should strike down these laws as an unconstitutional use of state power to silence individuals and an infringement on free expression.

States are interfering with the right to speak and teach freely on other issues as well. At least 10 states are considering laws that impose severe restrictions on a teacher’s right to speak to students about the importance of diversity and inclusion, following in the footsteps of Florida’s “Stop WOKE” law. That law, which was signed by Gov. Ron DeSantis in 2022 and was expanded last year, makes it illegal for educators to say out loud in the classroom that they support the principles of affirmative action, or that American history is full of racist episodes, or that systemic racism has played a role in the institutions and economy of the country.

A U.S. district judge based in Tallahassee, Mark Walker, struck down the key provisions of the law as “positively dystopian” and unconstitutional as applied to higher education. “Striking at the heart of ‘open-mindedness and critical inquiry,’ the State of Florida has taken over the ‘marketplace of ideas’ to suppress disfavored viewpoints and limit where professors may shine their light,” he wrote, adding, “The First Amendment does not permit the State of Florida to muzzle its university professors, impose its own orthodoxy of viewpoints, and cast us all into the dark.”


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Re: Republican fascism

Post by km1125 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:05 am

This is absurd. It's not stifling his ability to speak freely, it's only WHEN HE"S BEING PAID BY THE STATE. This makes perfect sense, as the state has decided to adopt a policy of supporting Israel in this conflict. He is free to speak about the issue and express opposing views, WHEN HE"S NOT BEING COMPENSATED BY THE STATE.

Funny, no one seemed to be objecting when the universities all over the country were stifling "right-leaning" speech over the last six years or so.

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Re: Republican fascism

Post by Rate This » Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:33 am

km1125 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:05 am
This is absurd. It's not stifling his ability to speak freely, it's only WHEN HE"S BEING PAID BY THE STATE. This makes perfect sense, as the state has decided to adopt a policy of supporting Israel in this conflict. He is free to speak about the issue and express opposing views, WHEN HE"S NOT BEING COMPENSATED BY THE STATE.

Funny, no one seemed to be objecting when the universities all over the country were stifling "right-leaning" speech over the last six years or so.
That is a blatant violation of the first amendment. The government absolutely cannot require someone to sign a pledge to support something as a condition of being allowed to express themself… that boat don’t float.

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Re: Republican fascism

Post by TC Talks » Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:10 am

km1125 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:05 am
This is absurd. It's not stifling his ability to speak freely, it's only WHEN HE"S BEING PAID BY THE STATE. This makes perfect sense, as the state has decided to adopt a policy of supporting Israel in this conflict. He is free to speak about the issue and express opposing views, WHEN HE"S NOT BEING COMPENSATED BY THE STATE.

Funny, no one seemed to be objecting when the universities all over the country were stifling "right-leaning" speech over the last six years or so.
So, you're fine with limiting what is presented on the federal airwaves? Because some of these "faith" stations clearly encourage violating protected rights of Americans of other faiths or sexual orientation.
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Re: Republican fascism

Post by km1125 » Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:03 pm

Rate This wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:33 am
km1125 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:05 am
This is absurd. It's not stifling his ability to speak freely, it's only WHEN HE"S BEING PAID BY THE STATE. This makes perfect sense, as the state has decided to adopt a policy of supporting Israel in this conflict. He is free to speak about the issue and express opposing views, WHEN HE"S NOT BEING COMPENSATED BY THE STATE.

Funny, no one seemed to be objecting when the universities all over the country were stifling "right-leaning" speech over the last six years or so.
That is a blatant violation of the first amendment. The government absolutely cannot require someone to sign a pledge to support something as a condition of being allowed to express themself… that boat don’t float.
No, it's not. He can say whatever he wants on HIS TIME and using HIS OWN resources. If he's being compensated by the state, he should be following the guidelines from the state.
TC Talks wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:10 am
km1125 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:05 am
This is absurd. It's not stifling his ability to speak freely, it's only WHEN HE"S BEING PAID BY THE STATE. This makes perfect sense, as the state has decided to adopt a policy of supporting Israel in this conflict. He is free to speak about the issue and express opposing views, WHEN HE"S NOT BEING COMPENSATED BY THE STATE.

Funny, no one seemed to be objecting when the universities all over the country were stifling "right-leaning" speech over the last six years or so.
So, you're fine with limiting what is presented on the federal airwaves? Because some of these "faith" stations clearly encourage violating protected rights of Americans of other faiths or sexual orientation.
Absolutely I'm fine with that, unless it's the federal government (or even state government) limiting what can be said using PRIVATE EQUIPMENT or PRIVATE RESOURCES, even though those might utilize the "federal" airwaves that have been allocated for use by that PRIVATE entity. If the private entity wants to limit who uses their equipment and resources, or require an agreement prior to doing so, I'm perfectly fine with that.

Where it gets sticky is when you have quasi-private entities, like regulated utilities (i.e. a phone company), or other companies that tout they are being "open" and have no restrictions yet in some clandestine way edit user "speech".

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Re: Republican fascism

Post by TC Talks » Sun Jan 21, 2024 2:18 pm

Since they are federal airwaves, it's the leasee's responsibility to provide improvements like equipment. I believe that if we can restrict speech of Muslims we should probably restrict misguided Christian hate.

The alternative would be just taking the frequency away for misuse.
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Re: Republican fascism

Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Sun Jan 21, 2024 10:11 pm

"Republican fascism" is redundant.
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Remember that “2000 Mules” was concocted by a circus of elephants.
The right needs to stop worry about what’s between people’s legs. Instead, they should focus on what’s between their ears.
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Re: Republican fascism

Post by Rate This » Mon Jan 22, 2024 1:18 am

km1125 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:03 pm
Rate This wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:33 am
km1125 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:05 am
This is absurd. It's not stifling his ability to speak freely, it's only WHEN HE"S BEING PAID BY THE STATE. This makes perfect sense, as the state has decided to adopt a policy of supporting Israel in this conflict. He is free to speak about the issue and express opposing views, WHEN HE"S NOT BEING COMPENSATED BY THE STATE.

Funny, no one seemed to be objecting when the universities all over the country were stifling "right-leaning" speech over the last six years or so.
That is a blatant violation of the first amendment. The government absolutely cannot require someone to sign a pledge to support something as a condition of being allowed to express themself… that boat don’t float.
No, it's not. He can say whatever he wants on HIS TIME and using HIS OWN resources. If he's being compensated by the state, he should be following the guidelines from the state.
TC Talks wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 8:10 am
km1125 wrote:
Sun Jan 21, 2024 12:05 am
This is absurd. It's not stifling his ability to speak freely, it's only WHEN HE"S BEING PAID BY THE STATE. This makes perfect sense, as the state has decided to adopt a policy of supporting Israel in this conflict. He is free to speak about the issue and express opposing views, WHEN HE"S NOT BEING COMPENSATED BY THE STATE.

Funny, no one seemed to be objecting when the universities all over the country were stifling "right-leaning" speech over the last six years or so.
So, you're fine with limiting what is presented on the federal airwaves? Because some of these "faith" stations clearly encourage violating protected rights of Americans of other faiths or sexual orientation.
Absolutely I'm fine with that, unless it's the federal government (or even state government) limiting what can be said using PRIVATE EQUIPMENT or PRIVATE RESOURCES, even though those might utilize the "federal" airwaves that have been allocated for use by that PRIVATE entity. If the private entity wants to limit who uses their equipment and resources, or require an agreement prior to doing so, I'm perfectly fine with that.

Where it gets sticky is when you have quasi-private entities, like regulated utilities (i.e. a phone company), or other companies that tout they are being "open" and have no restrictions yet in some clandestine way edit user "speech".
Why does a bassackwards red state in the middle of the south have an opinion about a conflict in the Middle East anyways? Nobody and I mean absolutely no fucking body gives a rats ass what Alabama thinks of the conflict. Not Israel, not hamas, NOBODY. So they take some idiotic stand on an issue well outside the bounds of their business and penalize anyone receiving state compensation who differs from said idiotic stand. Good lord.

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Re: Republican fascism

Post by TC Talks » Mon Jan 22, 2024 4:07 am

This was Arkansas, but same difference.
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Re: Republican fascism

Post by Rate This » Mon Jan 22, 2024 8:30 pm

TC Talks wrote:
Mon Jan 22, 2024 4:07 am
This was Arkansas, but same difference.
I knew it was an A state down there… if they don’t care a whit about Alabama then Arkansas had better not even bother saying a word because even Alabama doesn’t care what Arkansas thinks.

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