SCOTUS puts conservatives in a corner again.

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I also agree, and Community and Trade Colleges should be free so they won't need to go into debt to help our economy. That idea will also be fought tooth and nail by the DeVos family.

Who pays for this?
Does everyone get a free education, no matter how much of a "Big Dummy Walking" they was in high school?

[TC Talks]

I also agree, and Community and Trade Colleges should be free so they won't need to go into debt to help our economy. That idea will also be fought tooth and nail by the DeVos family.

Who pays for this?
Does everyone get a free education, no matter how much of a "Big Dummy Walking" they was in high school?

Who pays for the petroleum subsides or agriculture subsides? We all do, because they provide a benefit to society.

Look at the risks this country has with the retiring labor pool of baby boomers. Construction, skilled trades, industry is all suffering.

Vocational and basic business education ensures that we have a stable labor pool, like we have a stable petroleum and agriculture industries. Shall we get started about how the federal government support pharmaceuticals so they can patent drugs and over charge for them?

There are dozens of examples of how this country provides subsidize industries to provide a national benefits.

[km1125]

We already subsidize colleges and universities by the plethora of ways that folks get tuition assistance. That only caused the rates for every single degree to skyrocket.

Colleges and universities should also be pricing the degree on the value it brings to society. It should cost less to get a useless degree rather than one you could actually make a living on.

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We already subsidize colleges and universities by the plethora of ways that folks get tuition assistance. That only caused the rates for every single degree to skyrocket.

Colleges and universities should also be pricing the degree on the value it brings to society. It should cost less to get a useless degree rather than one you could actually make a living on.

So a degree in basket weaving would be considerably less than one in Applied Neurosciences?

[Round Six]

We already subsidize colleges and universities by the plethora of ways that folks get tuition assistance. That only caused the rates for every single degree to skyrocket.

Colleges and universities should also be pricing the degree on the value it brings to society. It should cost less to get a useless degree rather than one you could actually make a living on.

So a degree in basket weaving would be considerably less than one in Applied Neurosciences?

This is what I was talking about when I queried TC Talks. It's great to give away college tuitions if the students are not Big Dummies Walking.

There's a nickname used often for Wayne County Community College. Detroit High School. The inside joke there is everyone that gets their name right on the exam gets a B. Anyone on here that has gone there will grudgingly agree there is a potpourri of mutants attending there.

Same with trade schools.
TC is right. We sorely need tradesmen sooner than later. Unfortunately, anyone with enough gray matter to become a good craftsman will have shagged some sort of scholarship or paid apprenticeship. The one's getting the free ride won't be able to fix anything, if they even finish.

[TC Talks]

We already subsidize colleges and universities by the plethora of ways that folks get tuition assistance. That only caused the rates for every single degree to skyrocket.

Colleges and universities should also be pricing the degree on the value it brings to society. It should cost less to get a useless degree rather than one you could actually make a living on.

So a degree in basket weaving would be considerably less than one in Applied Neurosciences?

This is what I was talking about when I queried TC Talks. It's great to give away college tuitions if the students are not Big Dummies Walking.

There's a nickname used often for Wayne County Community College. Detroit High School. The inside joke there is everyone that gets their name right on the exam gets a B. Anyone on here that has gone there will grudgingly agree there is a potpourri of mutants attending there.

Same with trade schools.
TC is right. We sorely need tradesmen sooner than later. Unfortunately, anyone with enough gray matter to become a good craftsman will have shagged some sort of scholarship or paid apprenticeship. The one's getting the free ride won't be able to fix anything, if they even finish.

Fascinating belief, any concrete data to back this up? Because to me it sounds like a bit of racism based on the school you cite.

Explain the substance behind your statement.

[bmw]

The blanket bailout sought by Biden amounted to nothing more than an attempt at buying votes. It was a disgusting proposal, frankly.

Biden is certainly busy buying votes this year using debt forgiveness.

In total, the Biden administration has authorized the cancellation of $153 billion in student loan debt for nearly 4.3 million people. That’s more than 9% of all outstanding federal student loan debt.

As the November election approaches, the Biden administration has been eager to show how much student loan debt it has canceled, making new announcements about debt relief roughly once a month and sending emails directly to eligible borrowers. Earlier this week, Biden announced a new group of student debt relief proposals that could possibly go into effect this fall.

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/12/politics ... index.html

[zzand]

I know for many this is an unpopular opinion, but if I take out a loan for anything it is up to me to pay it off. I feel those who took out student loans should also pay them off, not us taxpayers and save your arguments about predatory loan companies, the auto loan industry is full of them too and taxpayers aren't being asked to bail those customers out.

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I know for many this is an unpopular opinion, but if I take out a loan for anything it is up to me to pay it off. I feel those who took out student loans should also pay them off, not us taxpayers and save your arguments about predatory loan companies, the auto loan industry is full of them too and taxpayers aren't being asked to bail those customers out.

As somebody who has around $70,000 in student loans around his neck that I had no real concept for what I was buying at 18 and out on my own…

My thought has been bail them out AND then cap tuition at some reasonable level (say 10,000 a year) for any institution that receives federal funds. They simply can’t charge more than $40,000 for any 4 years of school. Otherwise we solve a symptom and unlock quite a bit of pent up spending potential but we just end up right back here. The schools will whine they have to cut amenities like gyms and other silly extras but who cares. If I could do it again I never would have done school… I’d have worked and saved money and been way ahead.

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I know for many this is an unpopular opinion, but if I take out a loan for anything it is up to me to pay it off. I feel those who took out student loans should also pay them off, not us taxpayers and save your arguments about predatory loan companies, the auto loan industry is full of them too and taxpayers aren't being asked to bail those customers out.

I agree, yet I can list thousands of corporations that received your tax dollars in subsides. It seems that this policy is the great equalizer for things like tax breaks and bidless government contracts.

[zzand]

Then those who think it is a good idea should foot the bill. Those who don't should not have to pay from someone else so they can dodge an obligation they have.

[TC Talks]

Then those who think it is a good idea should foot the bill. Those who don't should not have to pay from someone else so they can dodge an obligation they have.

Sounds great, do we get to choose not to enrich petroleum and military complex global corporations? And what about ADM and corporate farm companies. We should vote on it all. Guess which subsidy will win overwhelmingly?

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Then those who think it is a good idea should foot the bill. Those who don't should not have to pay from someone else so they can dodge an obligation they have.

That would be impossible to do. Unless you have 11 months to check boxes for funding every year. There are probably that many boxes.

[bmw]

As somebody who has around $70,000 in student loans around his neck that I had no real concept for what I was buying at 18 and out on my own…

My thought has been bail them out...

So in your opinion, other people should be responsible for paying for your dumb decisions?

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I think that a lot of students deserve the same break on loans that the holders of PPP loans got. Those folks never paid in most cases a penny on multi million $$ loans from the Fed Gov. It was forgiven in many cases by the SAME people who took out the loans.
It's a different world when a for profit industry can make you jump through multiple hoops the tell you OH! we are sorry those 10 years of work to qualify for forgiveness don't count because we changed the form and never told you to re-enter the info.
Like buying a car one suggested. You get the car in say 48 months of payments. A lot of former students find out that in some cases of making 20 years of payments on a 80k loan that they STILL owe 74k. How is that? Is it that the companies are running them like a Payday Loan or a load shark business out the back of a used car?

I suggest watching https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zN2_0WC7UfU A over the top presentation but it matches with everything I've read on the subject as well as chatting with 4 family members who are trying to wade through the system that does more to make it more difficult than easy to achieve closure so the savings can do things like pay for houses, cars, children... just the normal things in life to create a better economy for all.
When I went to college the State gave the schools about 30-40% of the cost. Now it is maybe 3%. Tuition, my day $350 now anywhere from 6 to 13k. That is why schools chase out of state and foreign students, cuz they charge them 2X as much as instate to help the bottom line.