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Do Today's Republican/Conservatives Need History Lessons?

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Do Today's Republican/Conservatives Need History Lessons?

Post by FakeAndyStuart » Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:38 pm

or are they just reading off the talking points from the Kremlin?

Candace Owens says Ukraine didn't exist before 1989.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/candace-owe ... ntil-1989/

Marjorie Taylor Green says that Ukraine would still be Russia without interference by America.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 38129.html

Madison Cawthorn shows his expertise on foreign affairs.

https://www.businessinsider.com/madison ... ion-2022-3



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Re: Do Today's Republican/Conservatives Need History Lessons?

Post by Matt » Thu Mar 17, 2022 3:13 pm

FakeAndyStuart wrote:
Thu Mar 17, 2022 2:38 pm
or are they just reading off the talking points from the Kremlin?

Candace Owens says Ukraine didn't exist before 1989.

https://www.mediaite.com/tv/candace-owe ... ntil-1989/

Marjorie Taylor Green says that Ukraine would still be Russia without interference by America.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/worl ... 38129.html

Madison Cawthorn shows his expertise on foreign affairs.

https://www.businessinsider.com/madison ... ion-2022-3
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Re: Do Today's Republican/Conservatives Need History Lessons?

Post by bmw » Thu Mar 17, 2022 3:20 pm

So I assume by your thread title that You believe Candace Owens and Majorie Taylor Green are mainstream representatives of the Republican party/Conservative movement?

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Post by MotorCityRadioFreak » Thu Mar 17, 2022 6:16 pm

bmw wrote:
Thu Mar 17, 2022 3:20 pm
So I assume by your thread title that You believe Candace Owens and Majorie Taylor Green are mainstream representatives of the Republican party/Conservative movement?
They both do enough fundraisers to no longer be fringe. Own your party's shit.
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Re: Do Today's Republican/Conservatives Need History Lessons?

Post by FakeAndyStuart » Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:06 am

bmw wrote:
Thu Mar 17, 2022 3:20 pm
So I assume by your thread title that You believe Candace Owens and Majorie Taylor Green are mainstream representatives of the Republican party/Conservative movement?
Valid question. They seem to speak to the movement in the same way the former President does, attacking both liberals and "RINO's" and advancing the Populist wing of the party/movement. Perhaps there is more than one "movement" going on? The Democratic Party is in total disarm, with folks like AOC and the "Squad". Are they mainstream? No. They are using some of the same strategies as the conservatives mentioned above - primary challenges against incumbents and pressure to push legislation in a progressive direction.

However, I rarely here that side blatantly misrepresenting history and "facts." Until we can all agree on some sort of basic history and reality, we will not be able to recover as a country. As always, your mileage may vary.

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Re: Do Today's Republican/Conservatives Need History Lessons?

Post by Rate This » Fri Mar 18, 2022 8:11 pm

bmw wrote:
Thu Mar 17, 2022 3:20 pm
So I assume by your thread title that You believe Candace Owens and Majorie Taylor Green are mainstream representatives of the Republican party/Conservative movement?
Owens is pretty mainstream on the right and has been for a while. The Trump faction that still controls the party at the moment is cool with MTG generally. Next question.

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Post by Deleted User 15773 » Thu Mar 24, 2022 1:17 am

Being intelligent and belonging to The Republican Party does not coalesce. Being wise is not supporting The State in any fashion.

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Re: Do Today's Republican/Conservatives Need History Lessons?

Post by TC Talks » Thu Mar 24, 2022 1:07 pm

bmw wrote:
Thu Mar 17, 2022 3:20 pm
So I assume by your thread title that You believe Candace Owens and Majorie Taylor Green are mainstream representatives of the Republican party/Conservative movement?
Most of America see these people as a respresentation of the New GOP.
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Re: Do Today's Republican/Conservatives Need History Lessons?

Post by Lester The Nightfly » Thu Mar 24, 2022 4:00 pm

This is what passes for knowledge of history in the Republican party these days-

Sen. Marsh Blackburn (R-Tenn) recently sent out this tweet:

"The Constitution grants us rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happyness - not abortions"

If you made it through elementary school then you're probably aware that the phrase is from the Declaration of Independence not the US Constitution. Even more pathetic is she's on the Senate Judiciary Committee.

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Post by bmw » Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:44 pm

While you are technically correct about the origin of that phrase, you left out the very next sentence from the Declaration:
--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
...which is kind of the whole point of the Constitution - to secure those rights.

Moreover, the left claims repeatedly that the right to have an abortion is found within the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, even though the Constitution does not explicitly spell out such a right.

So yeah, I'd say your view on this is a tad bit biased.

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Re: Do Today's Republican/Conservatives Need History Lessons?

Post by Lester The Nightfly » Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:51 pm

bmw wrote:
Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:44 pm
While you are technically correct about the origin of that phrase, you left out the very next sentence from the Declaration:
--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
...which is kind of the whole point of the Constitution - to secure those rights.

Moreover, the left claims repeatedly that the right to have an abortion is found within the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, even though the Constitution does not explicitly spell out such a right.

So yeah, I'd say your view on this is a tad bit biased.
Technically correct is the best kind of correct. I was simply quoting verbatim what Blackburn's comment was. If you want to get pedantic and pissy about it, take it up with Blackburn.

Here's the twitter she posted: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marsha-b ... fd81376335

Now kindly fuck off...

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Re: Do Today's Republican/Conservatives Need History Lessons?

Post by Matt » Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:04 pm

Lester The Nightfly wrote:
Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:51 pm
bmw wrote:
Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:44 pm
While you are technically correct about the origin of that phrase, you left out the very next sentence from the Declaration:
--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
...which is kind of the whole point of the Constitution - to secure those rights.

Moreover, the left claims repeatedly that the right to have an abortion is found within the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, even though the Constitution does not explicitly spell out such a right.

So yeah, I'd say your view on this is a tad bit biased.
Technically correct is the best kind of correct. I was simply quoting verbatim what Blackburn's comment was. If you want to get pedantic and pissy about it, take it up with Blackburn.

Here's the twitter she posted: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marsha-b ... fd81376335

Now kindly fuck off...
I'm old enough to remember when you two were in complete agreement two days ago.
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Re: Do Today's Republican/Conservatives Need History Lessons?

Post by Lester The Nightfly » Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:24 pm

Matt wrote:
Thu Mar 24, 2022 6:04 pm
Lester The Nightfly wrote:
Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:51 pm
bmw wrote:
Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:44 pm
While you are technically correct about the origin of that phrase, you left out the very next sentence from the Declaration:
--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed.
...which is kind of the whole point of the Constitution - to secure those rights.

Moreover, the left claims repeatedly that the right to have an abortion is found within the 14th Amendment of the Constitution, even though the Constitution does not explicitly spell out such a right.

So yeah, I'd say your view on this is a tad bit biased.
Technically correct is the best kind of correct. I was simply quoting verbatim what Blackburn's comment was. If you want to get pedantic and pissy about it, take it up with Blackburn.

Here's the twitter she posted: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marsha-b ... fd81376335

Now kindly fuck off...
I'm old enough to remember when you two were in complete agreement two days ago.
It was a ripple in the time/space continuum. No need to be alarmed. Feel free to go about your normal daily activities.

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Re: Do Today's Republican/Conservatives Need History Lessons?

Post by bmw » Thu Mar 24, 2022 7:07 pm

Lester The Nightfly wrote:
Thu Mar 24, 2022 5:51 pm
Technically correct is the best kind of correct. I was simply quoting verbatim what Blackburn's comment was. If you want to get pedantic and pissy about it, take it up with Blackburn.

Here's the twitter she posted: https://www.huffpost.com/entry/marsha-b ... fd81376335

Now kindly fuck off...
If I'm going to get pissy about anything, it is her use of the word "grant" as the Constitution doesn't grant us any rights; those rights are self-evident.

Our right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are all indeed rights protected by the Constitution.

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