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Over/under on Trump impeachment hearings?

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Re: Over/under on Trump impeachment hearings?

Post by TC Talks » Tue Apr 10, 2018 10:54 am

I agree that this is a questionable tactic. I suspect that it side steps client-attorney privilege or it is so egregious that the court is allowing it. If you read the article I posted, the process the FBI has to go through to look at attorney protected material is much more involved than a normal search.

My point is that they wouldn't be doing this unless it was going to produce concrete results. The ramifications would be brutal unless they really had something. I don't think squeezing Cohen is going to produce results, he has the power of a presidential pardon behind anything he might be doing wrong.

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Re: Over/under on Trump impeachment hearings?

Post by Turkeytop » Tue Apr 10, 2018 1:24 pm

They we executing a legal search warrant. Any evidence protected by attorney client privilege can not be used. There is no attorney client privilege if the attorney and the client were involved in criminal activity.



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Re: Over/under on Trump impeachment hearings?

Post by screen glare » Wed Apr 11, 2018 5:14 am

Trump’s doing what Trump ALWAYS does. Telling and retelling lies - counting on his propaganda-soaked base to believe what HE says - even when contradicted by plain-as-the-nose-on-your-face
evidence.

He first makes sure they are steeled against such evidence by making them believe his FOUNDATIONAL lie - that any news story he doesn’t like is FAKE news. So they are blind followers. (As he astoundingly stated - he could shoot people on the street and they’d still vote for him. Does that sound like he respects their intelligence? Or - can rely on their gullibility.)

They BELIEVE Trump. Believe IN Trump.
Trump is THEIR truth. Despite his lifelong earned reputation as a defiant bloviator of self-serving lies.

He is a guiltless teller of endless lies because it’s a symptom of his mental illness - Narcissistic Personality Disorder - NPD.

Caution: Those who are blind believers in Trump end up ship wrecked and stranded on the rocks. As he sails right on by - into infamy.



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Re: Over/under on Trump impeachment hearings?

Post by TC Talks » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:39 am

Here's a great summary of what kind of trouble Trump faces now that Mueller has gone next after Cohen.
However, I am unaware of anybody who has taken a serious look at Trump’s business who doesn’t believe that there is a high likelihood of rampant criminality. In Azerbaijan, he did business with a likely money launderer for Iran’s Revolutionary Guard. In the Republic of Georgia, he partnered with a group that was being investigated for a possible role in the largest known bank-fraud and money-laundering case in history. In Indonesia, his development partner is “knee-deep in dirty politics”; there are criminal investigations of his deals in Brazil; the F.B.I. is reportedly looking into his daughter Ivanka’s role in the Trump hotel in Vancouver, for which she worked with a Malaysian family that has admitted to financial fraud. Back home, Donald, Jr., and Ivanka were investigated for financial crimes associated with the Trump hotel in SoHo—an investigation that was halted suspiciously. His Taj Mahal casino received what was then the largest fine in history for money-laundering violations.
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Re: Over/under on Trump impeachment hearings?

Post by 906XJ » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:49 am

Nothing burger.



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Re: Over/under on Trump impeachment hearings?

Post by screen glare » Wed Apr 18, 2018 4:41 am

Blind believer in Trump? Yup. Plenty on this board.



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Re: Over/under on Trump impeachment hearings?

Post by bmw » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:01 pm

906XJ wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:49 am
Nothing burger.
While democrats are running around like chickens with their heads cut off today after the announcement of indictments of a bunch of Russians, the bigger news is this:
Rod Rosenstein wrote:
There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result.
Yep. Definitely looks like a nothing-burger to me.



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Re: Over/under on Trump impeachment hearings?

Post by NS8401 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:27 pm

bmw wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 6:01 pm
906XJ wrote:
Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:49 am
Nothing burger.
While democrats are running around like chickens with their heads cut off today after the announcement of indictments of a bunch of Russians, the bigger news is this:
Rod Rosenstein wrote:
There is no allegation in this indictment that any American citizen committed a crime. There is no allegation that the conspiracy changed the vote count or affected any election result.
Yep. Definitely looks like a nothing-burger to me.
The investigation is far from over and this is just one side of a much larger picture...



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The Donald is here for the long run

Post by In The Bleachers » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:39 pm

Nothing will come of this.
If it was to be, it would of happened already.
Mueller and his staff will keep fiddle farting around for as long as they can running up lawyer fees.
Then like a whoopie cushion, it will all just be a big pfffft.
I'm not defending anyone here, but I'm confident it's basically how it's all gonna end up.


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Re: The Donald is here for the long run

Post by NS8401 » Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:47 pm

In The Bleachers wrote:
Fri Jul 13, 2018 11:39 pm
Nothing will come of this.
If it was to be, it would of happened already.
Mueller and his staff will keep fiddle farting around for as long as they can running up lawyer fees.
Then like a whoopie cushion, it will all just be a big pfffft.
I'm not defending anyone here, but I'm confident it's basically how it's all gonna end up.
Mueller works bottom up and he’s just to the Medium fish... there’s still flipping to be done... this all moves very very slowwwwly...



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Re: Over/under on Trump impeachment hearings?

Post by chromacolor2 » Sat Jul 14, 2018 4:38 am

Ever hear of the Dan Bongino podcast? He is an ex-secret service agent who does an almost daily analysis of Mueller's investigation. Of course I don't have the time to independently verify everything the guy says, but his notoriety seems to be ascending very quickly and he's just breaking into the mainstream.

Anyway, his "gift" seems to be research on every name on both sides of the investigation. If half of what he says is true, a reasonable person should be very concerned with what is happening in our government. So many of the same names showing up over and over again. Time lines that don't make sense. Surveillance warrants based on stories leaked to the media. His contention is that Mueller's investigation is a save-face operation to salvage the reputation of primarily the FBI, but also the entire federal justice and intelligence community. If I were to sum up his criticism in a sentence, it would be "surveillance investigation warrant applications are supposed to begin with a 'paragraph one' allegation of a specific criminal action. The surveillance of the Trump organization began without such a statement and this is an attempt to create a 'paragraph one' after the fact."

He's been alleging this for some time and each passing day he appears to be on the right track. His political commentary far predates "Trump". He has both an MBA and a master's degree in psychology. He speaks plainly and endorses bodybuilding suppliments on his show, but is no lunkhead.

I would encourage a investing an hour in his show.



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