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MSU Coverup of Nassar

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MSU Coverup of Nassar

Post by Matt » Sat Dec 16, 2017 7:30 am

Its interesting that (unless I've missed it), there has been no significant discussion about the Nassar coverup in East Lansing at an institution that receives both state and federal tax dollars. MSU is doubling down on the fact that no one in a position to make a difference knew what was going on with Nassar for the last two decades, despite MOUNTAINS of evidence that the opposite is true. The two presumed gubernatorial nominees are intricately involved in this case. Link dump will be at the end of this initial post.

Bill Schuette took a breather from his Flint witch hunt (Not minimizing what has happened in Flint, but its MY personal opinion that he's using it to boost his own run for governor. This thread is not about Flint and I don't care to derail it.) to ask MSU for a copy of their report. MSU's response was that a written report did not exist, but their investigation cleared top officials of any wrong doing. You may remember the clown prince Patrick Fitzgerald from the Plame-gate nonsense back in the aughts, well MSU has hired him to represent their institution and he said that any report his firm provided to MSU falls under attorney-client privilege.

The LSJ recently published an editorial calling for MSU president Lou Anna Simon to resign. MSU's ELECTED Board of Trustees strongly responded in disagreement to the editorial. To top that off, they offered Simon a $150,000 raise. Simon, to her credit just this one time (I'm of the opinion that she knew what was going on, she's been president there since 2005), declined the raise. The money is going to be used to start a scholarship fund instead. MSU has set aside $10M for judgments for plaintiffs, and they arguably should have added a 0 to that number and then multiplied the new number by 5.

Gretchen Whitmer, another clown from the aughts who should probably just stay out of the spotlight, was recently in the position of interim Ingham County Prosecutor. Whitmer is an alumna of MSU who argued that Nassar should have been charged with child pornography rather than assault, because the former would be easier to prove. FWIW, she has denied the position that was presented by the MSU police chief. By not focusing on the assault, you are shielding MSU from being accountable for what that institution allowed to occur. That's not a good look, considering that the school has a recent history of attempting to cover up numerous sexual assaults by athletes on their campus.

At a minimum, Lou Ann Simon and Mark Hollis should have been fired months ago, but they're both still gainfully employed. This is a scandal that is equal to or worse than what happened at Penn State where much of the leadership was criminally charged, and perhaps that is what will happen here. If the elected leadership of the institution was smart, they'd apologize for what really happened, fire the top leadership, and demand transparency in the settling of the grievances. They're clearly making the opposite bet in that they believe that if they put enough road blocks in the way, they'll end up paying out less money.

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/stor ... 921222001/
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/stor ... 935028001/
http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/stor ... 913568001/
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/l ... 955215001/
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/p ... 108586616/

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Re: MSU Coverup of Nassar

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:05 am

I don't know if this is as bad as what happened at Penn State, but it certainly has the potential to rank right up there, and I fully share your skepticism of MSU's so-called "investigation."

I agree that both Simon and Hollis should resign.

Who from the Board of Trustees voted to give her a pay raise? I want to make sure I vote AGAINST those individuals when they run for re-election.
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Re: MSU Coverup of Nassar

Post by NS8401 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:10 am

MWmetalhead wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:05 am
I don't know if this is as bad as what happened at Penn State, but it certainly has the potential to rank right up there, and I fully share your skepticism of MSU's so-called "investigation."

I agree that both Simon and Hollis should resign.

Who from the Board of Trustees voted to give her a pay raise? I want to make sure I vote AGAINST those individuals when they run for re-election.
Nobody did such voting... it was proposed and Simon did what she has in years past and directed that the money go to a scholarship fund in her name rather than doing a pay raise.

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And on a related note ...

Post by In The Bleachers » Sat Dec 16, 2017 10:42 am

Detroit hasn't had a great sportswriter since Mike Downey went to Chicago.

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Re: MSU Coverup of Nassar

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:47 pm

I don't agree with Mr. Lessenberry terribly often, but he is 100% on point with regard to Whitmer.
Nobody did such voting... it was proposed and Simon did what she has in years past and directed that the money go to a scholarship fund in her name rather than doing a pay raise.
Well, who proposed it? Clearly, some if not all of the board supported the notion of giving her a massive pay raise. I want those people gone. I guess I'll be voting 100% for non-incumbents when the Trustees next appear on my election ballot.
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Re: MSU Coverup of Nassar

Post by NS8401 » Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:15 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:47 pm
I don't agree with Mr. Lessenberry terribly often, but he is 100% on point with regard to Whitmer.
Nobody did such voting... it was proposed and Simon did what she has in years past and directed that the money go to a scholarship fund in her name rather than doing a pay raise.
Well, who proposed it? Clearly, some if not all of the board supported the notion of giving her a massive pay raise. I want those people gone. I guess I'll be voting 100% for non-incumbents when the Trustees next appear on my election ballot.
Nobody’s naming names from what I read so good move...

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Re: MSU Coverup of Nassar

Post by Matt » Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:59 am

NS8401 wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 5:15 pm
MWmetalhead wrote:
Sat Dec 16, 2017 12:47 pm
I don't agree with Mr. Lessenberry terribly often, but he is 100% on point with regard to Whitmer.
Nobody did such voting... it was proposed and Simon did what she has in years past and directed that the money go to a scholarship fund in her name rather than doing a pay raise.
Well, who proposed it? Clearly, some if not all of the board supported the notion of giving her a massive pay raise. I want those people gone. I guess I'll be voting 100% for non-incumbents when the Trustees next appear on my election ballot.
Nobody’s naming names from what I read so good move...
Its on their agenda from 12/15 (item 9 D. 1)): https://trustees.msu.edu/meetings/pdfs/ ... -12-15.pdf

The assumption is that all 8 members agreed to the nearly 17.5% pay raise given the strong response to the LSJ's editorial suggesting Simon leave.

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Re: MSU Coverup of Nassar

Post by MWmetalhead » Sun Dec 17, 2017 11:47 am

Thanks for the info. None of these incumbents will receive my vote.
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Re: MSU Coverup of Nassar

Post by Matt » Tue Dec 19, 2017 7:58 pm

Here's your smoking gun:

http://www.lansingstatejournal.com/stor ... 964034001/
EAST LANSING - MSU allowed Larry Nassar to see patients for 16 months while he was under criminal investigation by its own police department after a 2014 allegation of sexual assault by a female patient.

The university has the ability to suspend any employee under criminal investigation, Michigan State University spokesperson Jason Cody said. Nassar was allowed to return to work after the university cleared him in a separate Title IX investigation involving the woman’s accusations.

At least a dozen women and girls have reported to police that Nassar sexually assaulted them after MSU allowed the former doctor to return to work after a three-month Title IX investigation, records show.

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Re: MSU Coverup of Nassar

Post by Matt » Thu Dec 28, 2017 9:36 am

The hits keep on coming and things are looking worse by the day:
A look at the contract with Patrick Fitzgerald’s law firm, which was obtained by The Detroit News, indicates he was brought on to do just the opposite. Fitzgerald is being paid $990 an hour to help shield the university from legal liability in the lawsuits filed by 150 victims of Dr. Larry Nassar.
“As described to us, the (e)ngagement involves assisting the (u)niversity to coordinate its response to the allegations of misconduct concerning Dr. Larry Nasser. This will include facilitating cooperation with appropriate law enforcement and regulatory authorities concerning Dr. Nassar, counseling on any internal reviews conducted to make sure they are carried out in a matter that will best assist the University’s response and will not compromise any law enforcement or regulatory actions concerning Dr. Nassar, and providing assistance in anticipation of and with respect to any civil litigation that may arise.”
That explains why Fitzgerald never interviewed the gymnasts who say they told coaches, university officials and campus police about their concerns with Nassar’s treatment practices.

The attorney’s job is to limit MSU’s exposure, not increase it by turning up information that might aid the 150 federal court lawsuits filed against the university, President Lou Anna Simon, the board and other officials.
The bottom line is that there has been no truly independent and impartial review of the allegations in the lawsuits that MSU, Simon, the board of trustees and other officials failed to protect those Nassar victims who were abused on campus.

MSU is a public university. If it is found liable or agrees to settle the lawsuits, the cost could reach up to $1 billion or more. That’s an obligation Michigan taxpayers would share.
http://www.detroitnews.com/story/opinio ... 108960446/

It might be time for the state to force MSU to order an actual independent investigation or face being defunded.

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Re: MSU Coverup of Nassar

Post by Matt » Thu Jan 18, 2018 6:07 am

http://www.detroitnews.com/story/tech/2 ... 042071001/
Reports of sexual misconduct by Dr. Larry Nassar reached at least 14 Michigan State University representatives in the two decades before his arrest, with no fewer than eight women reporting his actions, a Detroit News investigation has found.

Among those notified was MSU President Lou Anna Simon, who was informed in 2014 that a Title IX complaint and a police report had been filed against an unnamed physician, she told The News on Wednesday.

“I was informed that a sports medicine doctor was under investigation,” said Simon, who made the brief comments after appearing in court Wednesday to observe a sentencing hearing for Nassar. “I told people to play it straight up, and I did not receive a copy of the report. That’s the truth.”
Asked about the women who said they tried to alert MSU to Nassar’s misconduct, Simon declined to comment.

“Those issues are points of dispute and part of civil litigation and I am not going to comment on,” she said. “What I can tell you is what I knew, straight up. My standard response is to tell people to play things straight up and I did not receive a copy of the report.”
At this point, the state needs to defund MSU until this monster is removed from her position and a thorough and transparent review followed by reform is completed.

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Re: MSU Coverup of Nassar

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Jan 19, 2018 2:55 pm

I agree completely.

Simon's conduct has been sickening during this ordeal; ditto for the board of trustees.

The AG or U.S. Attorney's Office need to commence an independent investigation. Sure looks to me like individuals within the university were complicit in a cover up. Extremely disturbing.

Why would any female want to participate in athletics at that institution at this point?
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Re: MSU Coverup of Nassar

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Jan 19, 2018 3:32 pm

By the way, Simon is one hideous looking woman. She looks like a cross between Roger Ebert and Charles Nelson Reilly!!

Her personal convictions are even uglier than her gross physical appearance, apparently.
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Re: MSU Coverup of Nassar

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Jan 19, 2018 7:57 pm

Almost the ENTIRE campus community wants Simon gone. Individual students and campus organizations are damn near unanimous on that point, and I commend them for it!

The Board of Regents and Simon herself (I'm not convinced she has female body parts) are 100% tone deaf. These assholes in power clearly care more about themselves than they do for the well-being of the university.
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Re: MSU Coverup of Nassar

Post by Matt » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:16 am

I agree about Simon being a nasty looking woman. When I read that the MSU board was meeting yesterday morning, I thought FOR SURE the end result was going to be that Simon was out. Apparently there are some on the board that believe Simon needs to go. Perhaps that includes board chair Brian Breslin, who conveniently announced yesterday that he won't be running for reelection this year. The letter they sent to the AG was pathetic in saying essentially "we know we did nothing wrong, can you help us prove that we did nothing wrong?"

The longer this goes on the more likely some other skeletons in EL will be revealed. Both Tom Izzo and Mark Dantonio spoke on Simon's behalf yesterday: https://www.freep.com/story/sports/coll ... 050461001/

Both of them have certainly gotten their hands dirty in terms of covering up or attempting to cover up player sexual assaults. (For the record, the Brendan Gibbons saga at Michigan is equally abhorrent) Dantonio's most notable attempted cover up was of Vance, King, and Corley: https://spartanavenue.com/2014/03/06/mi ... stigation/ Izzo successfully covered up the misdeeds of Appling and Payne: https://spartanavenue.com/2014/03/06/mi ... stigation/

I don't believe it is going out on a limb to suggest a quid pro quo defense of their president. I'm guessing the upper echelons of the university know a lot about both situations. Perhaps they know Simon wouldn't go down alone...

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Re: MSU Coverup of Nassar

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:31 am

They're all sticking up for one another; it is sickening.

A lot of the Trustees have baggage and have ties to the athletic department. 'Nuff said.

How many have been in attendance in the courtroom? They are all sacks of shit, IMO.
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Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:39 am

The three biggest douche bags on the board:
Mitch Lyons
George Perles
Joel Ferguson

The above list is subject to change as I do more research on the BoT.
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Re: MSU Coverup of Nassar

Post by In The Bleachers » Sat Jan 20, 2018 11:54 am

MWmetalhead wrote:
Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:39 am
The three biggest douche bags on the board:
Mitch Lyons
George Perles
Joel Ferguson

The above list is subject to change as I do more research on the BoT.
Well, in addition to saying the first person on your list has a warrant out for his arrest, this article also touches on a few other "douche bag" moves he's done recently:
http://statenews.com/article/2018/01/ar ... su-trustee
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Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:16 pm

Tom Izzo's comments in post-game press conference when questioned about the university's response to Nassar and Nassar's victims were stunningly ignorant.

Two key quotes from Izzo:

"I hope they convicted the right guy." (Nassar pled GUILTY; how on earth could Izzo think there's even the tiniest chance of mistaken identity given the dozens upon dozens of positive identifications by the victims?)

"There is no way I could waver in my support for my administration and my president." (Really, Tom? What if YOUR daughter was one of Nassar's victims?)

I've lost any respect I previously had for Tom Izzo. What a clown!!!

https://twitter.com/chrissolari/status/ ... 6970904576
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Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Jan 20, 2018 7:33 pm

Lou Anna Simon is a defiant, emotionless hag. This horrible ordeal doesn't seem to faze her even the least bit. She appears to have zero empathy for the victims. Listen to her bristly response to an excellent question asked by a reporter at the 0:55 mark.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CuTGL4VawyM

Izzo's support for this witch is "unwavering."

The Board of Trustees felt she was deserving of a massive pay raise.

Un-fucking-believable.
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