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2017 Lions Season

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2017 Lions Season

Post by NS8401 » Sat Sep 23, 2017 5:15 pm

At 2-0 the Lions have felt the urge to give Jim Caldwell a multi-year contract extension. In reality it was signed months ago. We might as well have a thread for when the train inevitably derails...

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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by MWmetalhead » Sun Sep 24, 2017 7:09 am

They're the Lions. Derailment is always part of the script! ☺
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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by bmw » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:11 pm

The 10-second runoff rule is a load of BS. Basically Detroit got PUNISHED for the refs getting the call on the field WRONG. Had they made the right call on the field, Detroit probably has enough time to run another play, OR the refs stop play to review and see if it is indeed a TD, and if they uphold the now -correct field call of no TD, I don't think the 10-second rule would have applied.

Detroit has a knack for year-after-year testing the limits of the NFL rule book.

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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by craig11152 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:17 pm

I understand the concept of the rule. If the call on the field was down at the 6 inch line I doubt they could line up and get a play off in 8 seconds.
Finally, he switched to a bone saw to finish the job, and at 9:17 p.m., Mountain time, the head of the greatest hitter who ever lived had been sliced off.

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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by bmw » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:29 pm

But all the players were pretty close to the ball. 8 seconds was at least theoretically doable.

I just can't believe a rule exists whereby a team gets punished with a time runoff because the ref screwed up. 10-second runoff rules are designed to prevent teams from abusing other rules to stop the clock. I wasn't aware there were any instances where runoffs can be applied due to the actions of a referee.

btw - I see a lot of people whining, saying that there was not indisputable evidence. I disagree. I watched the replays and while close, I think his knee was definitely down before the ball touched the plane.

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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by craig11152 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:51 pm

bmw wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:29 pm
btw - I see a lot of people whining, saying that there was not indisputable evidence. I disagree. I watched the replays and while close, I think his knee was definitely down before the ball touched the plane.
I'm trying to find a replay on the internet to watch again. Keep in mind in the NFL a knee down doesn't matter unless you're touched by the defense while you're down. You can crawl in to the end zone as long as the defense doesn't make contact. I was hoping to rewatch how clear that contact was while he was down.
Finally, he switched to a bone saw to finish the job, and at 9:17 p.m., Mountain time, the head of the greatest hitter who ever lived had been sliced off.

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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by MWmetalhead » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:54 pm

I agree with bmw; his left knee was definitely down short of the goal line, and the ball was short as well. It was conclusive.

I hate the 10 second runoff rule. Total bullshit for sure!
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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by bmw » Sun Sep 24, 2017 5:55 pm

Here's the best I can come up with:

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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by bmw » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:04 pm

The other issue is that even though the clock said 0:08 when all was said and done, if you watch this realtime, his knee actually touched (assuming it did) literally JUST BEFORE the clock changed from 0:11 to 0:10. So should the clock have been reset to 0:11 and then the runoff applied?

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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by bmw » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:09 pm

Here is a good high-quality replay, including both realtime footage and the sideline view.

You be the judge. Also be the judge on whether the game clock should have actually reset to 0:11

https://t.co/gLqn8lb74m

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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by craig11152 » Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:35 pm

bmw wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 6:09 pm
Here is a good high-quality replay, including both realtime footage and the sideline view.

You be the judge. Also be the judge on whether the game clock should have actually reset to 0:11

https://t.co/gLqn8lb74m
Nice link. The timing of the defensive contact seem unclear to me. And how would they restart the game if there was say, 18 seconds left and they rolled it to 8. Do they let the teams line up before restarting? If they gave the Lions 1 second but didn't let them line up it wouldn't have mattered.
Finally, he switched to a bone saw to finish the job, and at 9:17 p.m., Mountain time, the head of the greatest hitter who ever lived had been sliced off.

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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by NS8401 » Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:26 am

Well... The Curse (TM) strikes again... we are actually a good team this year so this doesn't hurt quite as bad but god... is there an obscure rule we can't find?

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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by Matt » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:02 pm

NS8401 wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 11:26 am
Well... The Curse (TM) strikes again... we are actually a good team this year so this doesn't hurt quite as bad but god... is there an obscure rule we can't find?
There is no curse. They are a shit franchise. I sincerely hope they go 2-14 for giving that piece of garbage an extension he didn't earn. They have a lot of talent and should go 11-5 or 12-4. Caldwell has little to do with their success...

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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by NS8401 » Sun Oct 01, 2017 6:28 pm

The defense is REALLY good. 11 takeaways in 4 games is a good clip. The offense is another matter... this Lions team looks a lot like Michigan does...

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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by moldyoldie » Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:30 am

That "go into an offensive shell" tactic toward the end of the game could well have cost them the game had it been against a team with a better offense. Get the first down, THEN go into your shell! Criminy! :rolleyes
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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by craig11152 » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:03 am

moldyoldie wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:30 am
That "go into an offensive shell" tactic toward the end of the game could well have cost them the game had it been against a team with a better offense. Get the first down, THEN go into your shell! Criminy! :rolleyes
A win is a win. While I don't disagree with your point I also think being up by a touchdown rather than a field goal or less makes a difference.....a 38-40 yard difference.
Finally, he switched to a bone saw to finish the job, and at 9:17 p.m., Mountain time, the head of the greatest hitter who ever lived had been sliced off.

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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by bmw » Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:59 am

moldyoldie wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:30 am
That "go into an offensive shell" tactic toward the end of the game could well have cost them the game had it been against a team with a better offense. Get the first down, THEN go into your shell! Criminy! :rolleyes
AGREED 100 PERCENT! I've been shouting at my tv 2 weeks in a row now. Get a lead, go into a shell, and into a super-predictable run on 1st down, run on 2nd down pass on 3rd down. Punt. Wash. Rinse. Repeat.

The Lions completely lack any killer instinct whatsoever, and if they do make the playoffs, you can mark my words now, this is what will cost them. Two weeks in a row now they've been so close to going up by 2 scores, and both times they opted to just completely shut down and coast to the finish line. And you could see that Minnesota knew it - totally loaded the line and the box to stop the run, that was the perfect opportunity to throw a first down pass.

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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by moldyoldie » Tue Oct 03, 2017 8:21 am

craig11152 wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2017 11:03 am
moldyoldie wrote:
Mon Oct 02, 2017 10:30 am
That "go into an offensive shell" tactic toward the end of the game could well have cost them the game had it been against a team with a better offense. Get the first down, THEN go into your shell! Criminy! :rolleyes
A win is a win. While I don't disagree with your point I also think being up by a touchdown rather than a field goal or less makes a difference.....a 38-40 yard difference.
It does make a difference, but why give back the ball in the first place? If we're talking about potential risks, I'd rather risk a possible interception than risk a possible blown coverage in the secondary or Hail Mary miracle. The big difference is WE have possession of the ball! I think the Lions simply had more faith in their defense against their offense than vice versa.
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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by craig11152 » Mon Oct 09, 2017 10:42 am

Well they woke up too late yesterday. I still have some guarded hopes for the season.
The optimist in me would say they should have been 4-0 going in to yesterday as surely as Armando Galarraga had a perfect game. And while yesterday wasn't stolen from them IF they make the stop on 3rd and long maybe they go to overtime.
So the optimist in me says they should be 4-1 and with a couple breaks or a couple better plays yesterday they could have been 5-0. But 3-2 is where they are and that is what counts.
Finally, he switched to a bone saw to finish the job, and at 9:17 p.m., Mountain time, the head of the greatest hitter who ever lived had been sliced off.

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Re: 2017 Lions Season

Post by bmw » Mon Oct 09, 2017 11:05 am

A large block of swiss cheese could provide better protection for Stafford that does their current offensive line.

Their O-line has been a problem even going back to the preseason. Stafford will end up injured before the season is over if this keeps up.

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