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Does the First Amendment Give You The Right to be Rude?

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Does the First Amendment Give You The Right to be Rude?

Post by Deleted User 12047 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 7:18 am

What happened to common courtesy in political discussions? What happened to those who could discuss any particular positions and at the end of the day "agree to disagree"?

Now, it seems that when someone disagrees with your position, it's okay to call them names and shout them down.

The guarantee of "Free Speech" in America says you have the right to say it, but you can't force me to listen to it.

And if your approach is to be rude, obnoxious and verbally abusive, I'm not listening. How does that advance your cause and make your case?



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Re: Does the First Amendment Give You The Right to be Rude?

Post by screen glare » Sat Mar 23, 2019 8:40 am

The first amendment does in fact give you the right to be rude.
It does not give you the right to direct violence that results in persons being killed. As in the often mentioned “yell FIRE in a crowded theatre” example.

By the way, If you are rude to a police officer you’re just an idiot. When speaking with him or her the main sentences you should be uttering are, “Yes, sir. Yes, officer. No, sir. No, officer.” Also - please thank them for their service. NEVER argue with a police officer.



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Re: Does the First Amendment Give You The Right to be Rude?

Post by Deleted User 12047 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:00 am

lovinlife101 - Wow! As my daughter in law says - "Calm your tits!" While you have the right to speak your mind on this subject, I feel it is a little rude to commandeer my thread about political speech and discussion on a topic where your position is and has been very clear. Feel free to start another thread if you wish.

But you've basically helped prove my point - at what point do you feel it necessary to "flip off" a police officer? If shouting "Fuck the Cops" a protected expression? What do you do for a living, and how would you like someone coming to your workplace (a public street is certainly a police officer's "workplace") and flipping you off?

Feel free to post your response on another thread.

screen glare - The text says (I edited) "Congress shall make no law ... abridging the freedom of speech". There was much confusion over interpretations of this sentence. The original speech restriction that your metaphor refers to comes from a Supreme Court decision that reads... (my emphasis)
Justice Oliver Wendell Holmes in 1919 wrote:The most stringent protection of free speech would not protect a man falsely shouting fire in a theatre and causing a panic. [...] The question in every case is whether the words used are used in such circumstances and are of such a nature as to create a clear and present danger that they will bring about the substantive evils that Congress has a right to prevent.
If there actually IS a fire, that speech is protected.



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Re: Does the First Amendment Give You The Right to be Rude?

Post by zzand » Sat Mar 23, 2019 9:25 am

Radio, LL101, or twatwaffle as I refer to it, has made it clear it has no respect for law enforcement what so ever, and that is it's right. It has also stated it will never call law enforcement under any circumstances. We all wish it would shut the hell up about it but it seems it gets off on the subject so just ignore it, sadly it won't go away, most trolls don't. Now as to the real subject of this thread, the hardest part of "Freedom Of Speech" is that even speech people don't like is also protected and you take the correct approach, just don't read or listen to it. I am with you on that 100 percent



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Re: Does the First Amendment Give You The Right to be Rude?

Post by ZenithCKLW » Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:41 am

Most reasonable people don’t believe it’s a black or white issue. Even with freedom, nobody gets to do “whatever they want.” Freedom isn’t anarchy.

I believe just because something is legal, doesn’t mean it’s right, and that you should. The world would be much better if some people chose to zip it. But then again, some people believe the world we all share revolves around them.



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Re: Does the First Amendment Give You The Right to be Rude?

Post by ZenithCKLW » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:16 am

Derp (that’s your name right?),

Then you must believe in someone’s right to give you verbal death threats and bully you without complaint. Whether or not you choose to take it seriously is your problem. You must be outraged at the new legislation about online bullying. Thanks for the clarification, Chief.

You sound like a bratty teenager who refuses responsibility or accountability for yourself by any means necessary. It’s OK. It’s your right to be a POS. And for that, I laugh at every single idiotic thing you say. It’s my right. LOL



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Re: Does the First Amendment Give You The Right to be Rude?

Post by ZenithCKLW » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:53 am

So those giving you those death threats and whatever to you are exercising their right. Their exercising a right doesn’t make you a martyr, instead you should be encouraging it, since you find absolute free speech so important. You should find it beautiful. After all, there is only black and white with the issue. You either have free speech or you don’t, by your own words.



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Re: Does the First Amendment Give You The Right to be Rude?

Post by Deleted User 9015 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 11:59 am

The first amendment certainly defends the right of private citizens to be a complete asshole, and if someone is being unreasonable with us, we certainly have the right to be unreasonable with them. That doesn’t mean you can propose illegal action if you don’t get your way or that you can unduly cause someone to believe they are in a clear threat of danger, there are limits.

Being rude? Lmao how do you legislate against that??

As for OP, their tangent seems to be way off from the topic of their post. Idk if people were ever more civil than they are today. People used to settle disputes with gunfights just a few hundred years ago. Even the behavior of people a few generations prior seems unreasonable now. Physical violence appears to be way down from generations prior.

To answer OPs question, if someone chooses to be assaultive or abusive, it won’t be successful, but that’s their failure.



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Re: Does the First Amendment Give You The Right to be Rude?

Post by stopnswop2 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:15 pm

How are these cops going to know about it unless you call them?

They aren't setting up some Internet watching division.


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Re: Does the First Amendment Give You The Right to be Rude?

Post by zzand » Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:23 pm

It's words are meaningless since it won't have communications with law enforcement.



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Re: Does the First Amendment Give You The Right to be Rude?

Post by stopnswop2 » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:31 pm

lovinlife101 wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 3:07 pm
stopnswop2 wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 2:15 pm
How are these cops going to know about it unless you call them?

They aren't setting up some Internet watching division.
How does anybody get arrested? A cop does it.

Next question.
No, you can't get away with a stupid answer like that.
You didn't even answer my question.

Answer it.


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Re: Does the First Amendment Give You The Right to be Rude?

Post by zzand » Sat Mar 23, 2019 5:48 pm

It can't answer questions it doesn't know the answer too. it never answers questions. All it can do is open it's mouth, so to speak, and all this useless shit comes pouring out of it. So if you are looking for real answers my friend, you will never get them. It doesn't have a clue as to what the answer is.



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Re: Does the First Amendment Give You The Right to be Rude?

Post by stopnswop2 » Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:16 am

lovinlife101 wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:17 pm
Just to be clear, if someone yells “fire” in a restaurant, then someone else slashes everyone’s throats, the person who yelled “fire” is not responsible for the deaths.
We were not in need of clearing up.
That's common sense boy


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Re: Does the First Amendment Give You The Right to be Rude?

Post by stopnswop2 » Sun Mar 24, 2019 9:52 am

lovinlife101 wrote:
Sun Mar 24, 2019 7:51 am
stopnswop2 wrote:
Sun Mar 24, 2019 2:16 am
lovinlife101 wrote:
Sat Mar 23, 2019 10:17 pm
Just to be clear, if someone yells “fire” in a restaurant, then someone else slashes everyone’s throats, the person who yelled “fire” is not responsible for the deaths.
We were not in need of clearing up.
That's common sense boy
In the same vein, when someone yells “fire” in a crowded theater and people kill each other to get out, the people who killed each other should be prosecuted, not the person exercising free speech.
You are literally repeating yourself over and over just to get me wound up.

Grow up


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Re: Does the First Amendment Give You The Right to be Rude?

Post by stopnswop2 » Sun Mar 24, 2019 1:44 pm

But why are you doing it to me? :/


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