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Political Ads

Post by Turkeytop » Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:40 pm

Been in Florida about a week now and I've been struck by the unusual nature of the political ads. The only time the candidate's name is even mentioned is at the very end. "I'm candidate Smith and I approve of this ad."

The rest of the ad is all about the opponent.
"Candidate Jones spits on the sidewalk. Candidate Jones will increase your taxes. Candidate Jones will sell drugs to your kids. Candidate Jones is a Satan worshiper. Candidate Jones is pure evil."

Five minutes later there is an ad approved by Jones, saying the same things about Smith.
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Re: Political Ads

Post by NS8401 » Tue Oct 09, 2018 10:05 pm

Turkeytop wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:40 pm
Been in Florida about a week now and I've been struck by the unusual nature of the political ads. The only time the candidate's name is even mentioned is at the very end. "I'm candidate Smith and I approve of this ad."

The rest of the ad is all about the opponent "candidate Jones
Spits on the sidewalk. Candidate Jones will increase your taxes. Candidate Jones will sell drugs to your kids. Candidate Jones is a Satan worshiper. Candidate Jones is pure evil."

Five minutes later there is an ad approved by Jones, saying the same things about Smith.
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Re: Political Ads

Post by Ed Joseph » Sat Oct 13, 2018 10:31 pm

Turkeytop wrote:
Tue Oct 09, 2018 7:40 pm
Five minutes later there is an ad approved by Jones, saying the same things about Smith.
And neither one is wrong!


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Re: Political Ads

Post by Turkeytop » Mon Oct 15, 2018 8:40 pm

They say the most outrageous things about each other.

Jones is a dangerous socialist who will double your taxes.

Smith was once investigated for something.

Jones has been seen with Muslims


Smith voted for more school shootings.


Jones will take away your guns



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Re: Political Ads

Post by Bryce » Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:21 am

A sad fact is that data shows that negative ads work better than positive.


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Re: Political Ads

Post by NS8401 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:48 am

Bryce wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:21 am
A sad fact is that data shows that negative ads work better than positive.
Especially this year... if the logic holds then the GOP should do quite well... their blowtorch is out...



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Re: Political Ads

Post by Turkeytop » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:53 am

Negative ads are one thing. But most of these seem like outright lies and misrepresentations.



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Re: Political Ads

Post by moldyoldie » Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:34 am

Turkeytop wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:53 am
Negative ads are one thing. But most of these seem like outright lies and misrepresentations.
The deceit lies in the fact that while candidate Smith may have voted against Mom and apple pie, it was because it was tied to a bill which would have made it legal to shoot stray puppies with a BB gun.


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Re: Political Ads

Post by Calvert DeForest » Wed Oct 17, 2018 12:58 pm

Riders, in theory, are designed to encourage compromise....give and take between both sides. Smith and his team want the votes of Jones and his team to help pass a bill that Jones and his friends don't necessarily want. Smith asks Jones what it would take to get him and hit teammates to support Smith's bill. Jones tells Smith he will vote for the bill and persuade his teammates to do the same provided Smith attaches a rider giving Jones something his team wants. Smith and his teammates don't really want the rider, but they agree to add it because they need votes from the other team to pass the original bill. Smith and Jones shake on the deal and the compromise is reached. The bill passes with the rider attached. Great theory.

Only problem is that the rider has little if anything to do with the original bill. Not to mention a rider is usually considered an "afterthought" and doesn't tend to receive the scrutiny the original bill receives. Multiple riders can be attached to high-profile bills and run virtually under the radar. Riders are basically bills within bills. Everyone is focused on the body of the car. Meanwhile nobody thinks to pop the hood. They find out what's under there once they get the title. Bill is now law, riders and all. Too late.


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Re: Political Ads

Post by craig11152 » Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:13 pm

Bryce wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:21 am
A sad fact is that data shows that negative ads work better than positive.
That is the mantra most of us have heard. But I find if you google that shit up you get a mixed bag of expert opinion as to whether they work or how well in terms of getting people to vote or influencing how they vote. I see some impressive credentials on both sides of the debat.

I think one thing negative attack ads do is let the attacker off the hook from making promises they can't or won't keep.

Even Gretchen Whitmore said "let's fix the damn roads"....what she did NOT say was.... "elect me and I WILL fix the damn roads".



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Re: Political Ads

Post by kager » Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:02 pm

craig11152 wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:13 pm
Bryce wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:21 am
A sad fact is that data shows that negative ads work better than positive.
That is the mantra most of us have heard. But I find if you google that shit up you get a mixed bag of expert opinion as to whether they work or how well in terms of getting people to vote or influencing how they vote. I see some impressive credentials on both sides of the debat.

I think one thing negative attack ads do is let the attacker off the hook from making promises they can't or won't keep.

Even Gretchen Whitmore said "let's fix the damn roads"....what she did NOT say was.... "elect me and I WILL fix the damn roads".
And her attack ads are only disclaimed silently at the bottom of the screen sted of her claiming approval of them. Sneaky.


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Re: Political Ads

Post by Vic Doucette » Thu Oct 18, 2018 7:05 am

kager wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:02 pm
craig11152 wrote:
Wed Oct 17, 2018 1:13 pm
Bryce wrote:
Tue Oct 16, 2018 8:21 am
A sad fact is that data shows that negative ads work better than positive.
That is the mantra most of us have heard. But I find if you google that shit up you get a mixed bag of expert opinion as to whether they work or how well in terms of getting people to vote or influencing how they vote. I see some impressive credentials on both sides of the debat.

I think one thing negative attack ads do is let the attacker off the hook from making promises they can't or won't keep.

Even Gretchen Whitmore said "let's fix the damn roads"....what she did NOT say was.... "elect me and I WILL fix the damn roads".
And her attack ads are only disclaimed silently at the bottom of the screen sted of her claiming approval of them. Sneaky.
Is it possible that those ads are financed by someone else? If it's some political action group, she wouldn't be required or expected to run a disclaimer.


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Re: Political Ads

Post by ftballfan » Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:00 pm

I was in Florida for a few days a couple of weeks ago and it seemed like every other ad was a political ad (usually for either the governor or senate race; very few if any ads were for congressional seats)



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Re: Political Ads

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