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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by mtburb » Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:15 pm

Continuing on the topic of old lineups for Ontario systems...to go along with the 1998 listings from various Metro Detroit cable systems that I posted in this thread a while ago, here's a November 1998 lineup from Windsor.

Shaw Cable Windsor headend, November 21, 1998 (source)
2-CICA (TVO)
3-CIII (Global, Toronto)
5-WDIV (NBC)
6-CHWI (NewNet)
7-WJBK (Fox)
8-WXYZ (ABC)
10-CBET (CBC)
11-community channel
12-CBEFT (Radio-Canada)
13-CKCO (CTV, Kitchener)
14-Much Music
15-WWJ (CBS)
16-YTV
17-CBC Newsworld
18-The Weather Network
19-Vision TV
20-TFO
21-CTV News 1
22-The Movie Network
23-The Movie Network 2/Treehouse TV
24-The Movie Network 3
25-The Movie Network 4
26-MoviePix
27-Women's Television Network
28-TNN
29-A&E
30-CNN
32-TSN
34-Showcase
35-The Discovery Channel
36-TLC
37-CMT
38-Bravo
39-Life Network
40-CNBC
43-History Television
44-Comedy Network
45-Teletoon
46-HGTV
47-TBS Superstation
48-Food Network
49-Speedvision
50-BET
51-Space
52-Family Channel
53-Golf Channel
54-CTV Sportsnet
55-Prime TV
56-Outdoor Life Network
57-Much More Music
58-home shopping
59-CHCH (Independent, Hamilton)
60-WKBD (UPN)
61-CITY (Independent, Toronto)
62-WDWB (WB)
63-CFMT (Independent, Toronto)
64-WGN (WB, Chicago feed, Chicago)
65-WSBK (UPN, Boston)
66-KTLA (WB, Los Angeles)
67-WTVS (PBS)
68-Headline Sports
70-house of commons
71-WTOL (CBS, Toledo)
72-WTVG (ABC, Toledo)
73-WNWO (NBC, Toledo)

It's interesting that a cable headend adjacent to Detroit carried Toledo commercial stations around this time yet the closest American location to Detroit that had them at the time was Huron Township in Downriver Wayne County. (I'm not counting MATV installations)
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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by rugratsonline » Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:30 pm

mtburb wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:15 pm
Shaw Cable Windsor headend, November 21, 1998 (source)
2-CICA (TVO)
3-CIII (Global, Toronto)
5-WDIV (NBC)
6-CHWI (NewNet)
7-WJBK (Fox)
8-WXYZ (ABC)
10-CBET (CBC)
11-community channel
12-CBEFT (Radio-Canada)
13-CKCO (CTV, Kitchener)
Of course, the left channels 4 and 9 blank, due to signal egress issues due to WDIV and CBET, respectively, yet they placed TVO on 2 and WJBK on 7, where they suffered egress from WJBK (on 2) and WXYZ, respectively.

I've stayed at a motel in Windsor around this time, and found that TVO and JBK were unwatchable, due to egress.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:16 am

rugratsonline wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:30 pm
mtburb wrote:
Sun Apr 22, 2018 6:15 pm
Shaw Cable Windsor headend, November 21, 1998 (source)
2-CICA (TVO)
3-CIII (Global, Toronto)
5-WDIV (NBC)
6-CHWI (NewNet)
7-WJBK (Fox)
8-WXYZ (ABC)
10-CBET (CBC)
11-community channel
12-CBEFT (Radio-Canada)
13-CKCO (CTV, Kitchener)
Of course, the left channels 4 and 9 blank, due to signal egress issues due to WDIV and CBET, respectively, yet they placed TVO on 2 and WJBK on 7, where they suffered egress from WJBK (on 2) and WXYZ, respectively.
I suppose that's what was going on down here in Toledo as well with 11 and 13 (they solved that issue by sticking bulletin board and shopping channels there for a long time). Must've sucked living in a an area with more VHF stations like that.
I've stayed at a motel in Windsor around this time, and found that TVO and JBK were unwatchable, due to egress.
I remember being in a Holiday Inn in Windsor around '95 or so, though I don't recall what the channels were liked as we didn't have too much time for it.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by mtburb » Mon Apr 23, 2018 1:26 pm

Some Guy from Toledo wrote:
Mon Apr 23, 2018 3:16 am
I remember being in a Holiday Inn in Windsor around '95 or so, though I don't recall what the channels were liked as we didn't have too much time for it.
I could help you fill in on that.

Shaw Cable Windsor headend, August 26, 1995 (source)
2-CICA (TVO)
3-CIII (Global, Toronto)
5-WDIV (NBC)
6-CHWI (independent)
7-WJBK (Fox)
8-WXYZ (ABC)
10-CBET (CBC)
11-community channel
12-CBEFT (Radio-Canada)
13-CKCO (CTV, Kitchener)
14-Much Music
15-WGPR -> WWJ (CBS)
16-YTV
17-CBC Newsworld
18-The Weather Network
19-Vision TV
20-La chaine francaise
21-Family Channel
22-The Movie Network
26-MoviePix
27-Women's Television Network
28-TNN
29-A&E
30-CNN
32-TSN
34-Showcase
35-The Discovery Channel
36-TLC
38-Bravo
39-Life Network
43-CITY (Independent, Toronto)
44-WXON (WB)
45-CFMT (Independent, Toronto)
46-TBS Superstation
47-WGN (WB, Chicago feed, Chicago)
48-WSBK (UPN, Boston)
49-KTLA (WB, Los Angeles)
50-Broadcast News
51-WTVS (PBS)
53-WKBD (UPN)
54-CHCH (Independent, Hamilton)
55-WTOL (CBS, Toledo)
56-WTVG (NBC -> ABC, Toledo)
57-WNWO (ABC -> NBC, Toledo)
58-home shopping


For three days in January 2017 (15th, 16th, 19th) and one night in September 2017 (22nd), I managed to receive KDKA Pittsburgh from 202 miles away indoors!

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by ChrisKun2K5 » Thu May 03, 2018 6:54 pm

WTVS also played both nations' anthems at signoff, or at least they did in 1992. Which made sense given how the station was not only viewable over the air in southwestern Ontario but carried on cable across Canada. The voice during the signoff is that of the late Paul Winter.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R0ybkWAsAbQ



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by RingtailedFox » Tue May 08, 2018 1:00 am

WTVS went 24/7 sometime around 1993 if I remember... but they did play both our nations' anthems when they shut off their aging and failing analog transmitter on UHF 56 for the final time on April 16, 2009 (instead of June 12). They get a *H**** chunk of their donations from across Canada, thanks to covering Windsor with its transmitter, and on various cable and satellite services (via CANCOM) throughout Canada and elsewhere.

I also remember VHF 4 always being a TV Listings type of channel. still is, to this day. 9 was always the real estate channel, too. CBC was/still is on 10, and WDIV is on 5.


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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by mtburb » Fri May 11, 2018 9:11 pm

RingtailedFox wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 1:00 am
I also remember VHF 4 always being a TV Listings type of channel. still is, to this day.
Was this ever branded Prevue Guide/Channel in the past (until 2002 in Canada, of course)?


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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by RingtailedFox » Fri May 25, 2018 3:01 pm

mtburb wrote:
Fri May 11, 2018 9:11 pm
RingtailedFox wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 1:00 am
I also remember VHF 4 always being a TV Listings type of channel. still is, to this day.
Was this ever branded Prevue Guide/Channel in the past (until 2002 in Canada, of course)?
I'm not 100% on this, but i'm pretty sure it was.


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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by organman95 » Sat May 26, 2018 3:06 pm

RingtailedFox wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 1:00 am
I also remember VHF 4 always being a TV Listings type of channel. still is, to this day. 9 was always the real estate channel, too. CBC was/still is on 10, and WDIV is on 5.
I think most put the guide on channel 4. Not sure why. The funny thing in Northern MI, is anywhere that WTOM was carried, it was moved to Ch. 7 with Guide on ch. 4. But if the lineup had WPBN (OTA 7), WPBN was put on Channel 4, with the guide on Channel 7. Not sure why the headends did this.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by rugratsonline » Sat May 26, 2018 10:20 pm

organman95 wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 3:06 pm
RingtailedFox wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 1:00 am
I also remember VHF 4 always being a TV Listings type of channel. still is, to this day. 9 was always the real estate channel, too. CBC was/still is on 10, and WDIV is on 5.
I think most put the guide on channel 4. Not sure why. The funny thing in Northern MI, is anywhere that WTOM was carried, it was moved to Ch. 7 with Guide on ch. 4. But if the lineup had WPBN (OTA 7), WPBN was put on Channel 4, with the guide on Channel 7. Not sure why the headends did this.
As I mentioned earlier, signal egress issues. On cable, channels 2 to 13 uses the same frequencies as VHF. As a result, if channel 7 was carried on cable 7 in areas close to its transmitter, ghosting and other interference issues would occur. The farther away from the transmitter, the least likely that signal egress would occur.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by ftballfan » Sun May 27, 2018 1:13 pm

organman95 wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 3:06 pm
RingtailedFox wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 1:00 am
I also remember VHF 4 always being a TV Listings type of channel. still is, to this day. 9 was always the real estate channel, too. CBC was/still is on 10, and WDIV is on 5.
I think most put the guide on channel 4. Not sure why. The funny thing in Northern MI, is anywhere that WTOM was carried, it was moved to Ch. 7 with Guide on ch. 4. But if the lineup had WPBN (OTA 7), WPBN was put on Channel 4, with the guide on Channel 7. Not sure why the headends did this.
In Grand Rapids, WWMT, WOOD, and WZZM were on their OTA channels as far back as the TCI days



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by mtburb » Sun May 27, 2018 3:11 pm

organman95 wrote:
Sat May 26, 2018 3:06 pm
RingtailedFox wrote:
Tue May 08, 2018 1:00 am
I also remember VHF 4 always being a TV Listings type of channel. still is, to this day. 9 was always the real estate channel, too. CBC was/still is on 10, and WDIV is on 5.
I think most put the guide on channel 4. Not sure why. The funny thing in Northern MI, is anywhere that WTOM was carried, it was moved to Ch. 7 with Guide on ch. 4. But if the lineup had WPBN (OTA 7), WPBN was put on Channel 4, with the guide on Channel 7. Not sure why the headends did this.
WJBK, WDIV, WXYZ and CBET have always been on their OTA channels in Wyandotte ever since their cable operation began in 1983.


For three days in January 2017 (15th, 16th, 19th) and one night in September 2017 (22nd), I managed to receive KDKA Pittsburgh from 202 miles away indoors!

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by organman95 » Thu Jul 12, 2018 8:48 am

Found this, thought I'd screenshot it and share, Cablevision in Ludington/Pentwater/Manistee, 1986

Back when Playboy was on expanded basic and fairly easily decoded LOL
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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by mtburb » Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:40 pm

This is, I believe, one of the newest cable lineups in this thread. This is from the second-most-recent Toledo Blade to have been archived by Google. This is probably incomplete though.

Buckeye Cablesystem Toledo headend, December 30, 2007 (source)
2-CNN
3-ESPN
4-USA
5-WT05 (CW)
6-WLMB (Ion (possible error?))
8-BCSN
9-WGTE (PBS)
10-WNWO (NBC)
11-WTOL (CBS)
12-WUPW (Fox)
13-WTVG (ABC)
14-Lifetime
17-ESPN2
19-E!
21-Nickelodeon
22-Cartoon Network
23-Discovery
24-A&E
25-The History Channel
26-Disney Channel
27-TV Land
28-TBS (very early in it's life as a basic cable channel)
29-FSN Detroit
33-AMC
34-Animal Planet
37-Spike
38-VH1
39-MTV
40-BET
42-CNBC
43-Fox News Channel
45-Comedy Central
46-FX
47-HGTV
49-Hallmark Channel
50-WKBD (CW, Detroit)
51-WXYZ (ABC, Detroit)
52-WJBK (Fox, Detroit)
53-Telemundo
54-WDIV (NBC, Detroit)
57-WBGU (PBS, Bowling Green)
58-WMNT (My Network TV)
59-CBET (CBC, Windsor)
60-Superstation WGN
61-Sci-Fi Channel
64-TLC
68-Bravo
77-Showtime
80-The Movie Channel
82-HBO
85-Cinemax
103-Game Show Network
106-We
107-Turner Classic Movies
108-Golf Channel


For three days in January 2017 (15th, 16th, 19th) and one night in September 2017 (22nd), I managed to receive KDKA Pittsburgh from 202 miles away indoors!

My tropo station reception reports: https://www.rabbitears.info/dxlocation.php?id=403

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Wed Jul 18, 2018 7:53 pm

mtburb wrote:
Thu Jul 12, 2018 7:40 pm
This is, I believe, one of the newest cable lineups in this thread. This is from the second-most-recent Toledo Blade to have been archived by Google. This is probably incomplete though.

Buckeye Cablesystem Toledo headend, December 30, 2007 (source)
2-CNN
3-ESPN
4-USA
5-WT05 (CW)
6-WLMB (Ion (possible error?))
8-BCSN
9-WGTE (PBS)
10-WNWO (NBC)
11-WTOL (CBS)
12-WUPW (Fox)
13-WTVG (ABC)
14-Lifetime
17-ESPN2
19-E!
21-Nickelodeon
22-Cartoon Network
23-Discovery
24-A&E
25-The History Channel
26-Disney Channel
27-TV Land
28-TBS (very early in it's life as a basic cable channel)
29-FSN Detroit
33-AMC
34-Animal Planet
37-Spike
38-VH1
39-MTV
40-BET
42-CNBC
43-Fox News Channel
45-Comedy Central
46-FX
47-HGTV
49-Hallmark Channel
50-WKBD (CW, Detroit)
51-WXYZ (ABC, Detroit)
52-WJBK (Fox, Detroit)
53-Telemundo
54-WDIV (NBC, Detroit)
57-WBGU (PBS, Bowling Green)
58-WMNT (My Network TV)
59-CBET (CBC, Windsor)
60-Superstation WGN
61-Sci-Fi Channel
64-TLC
68-Bravo
77-Showtime
80-The Movie Channel
82-HBO
85-Cinemax
103-Game Show Network
106-We
107-Turner Classic Movies
108-Golf Channel
Can't remember if we already had channels up past 108 or not by then, but this is pretty much what I remember at the time.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Inundated » Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:21 pm

I think WLMB did carry some Pax programming, though I am pretty sure that ended before Ion.



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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Thu Jul 26, 2018 2:38 am

Inundated wrote:
Thu Jul 19, 2018 2:21 pm
I think WLMB did carry some Pax programming, though I am pretty sure that ended before Ion.
Yes it did, it only lasted a few years when they first started the channel (I suppose they needed something to play for part of the day and PAX had already started when they did so that was the best we had, we just didn't get PAX entirely).



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Post by mtburb » Mon Oct 08, 2018 8:43 pm

Another newer listing, this time multiple partial Downriver area cable lineups from earlier in 2007. This was from the February 14, 2007 edition of the now-defunct "CurrenTV" listing supplement in the (Southgate) News-Herald, this one proudly donated to me for free from the previous person to have lived in my current house.

Comcast Taylor and Woodhaven headends, February 14, 2007
2-WJBK (Fox)
3-WMYD (My Network TV (still listed as The WB!))
4-WDIV (NBC)
5-WKBD (The CW (still listed as UPN!))
6-WTVS (PBS)
7-WXYZ (ABC)
9-WPXD (Ion)
13-ESPN
15-WWJ (CBS)
23-Superstation WGN
24-TBS (during it's final months as a superstation from Atlanta)
25-Discovery
26-TNT
27-AMC
28-The History Channel
30-FSN Detroit
35-A&E
39-TLC
40-CNN
46-Nickelodeon
48-ABC Family
49-USA
51-Sci-Fi Channel
54-HGTV
55-MTV
57-Spike
61-Lifetime
62-Comedy Central
67-Disney Channel
74-Cinemax
75-The Movie Channel
77-Showtime
78-HBO
99-CBET (CBC)

WOW Detroit market, February 14, 2007
2-WJBK (Fox)
3-WTVS (PBS)
4-WDIV (NBC)
5-WKBD (The CW (still listed as UPN!))
6-WWJ (CBS)
7-WXYZ (ABC)
9-CBET (CBC)
13-USA
17-TBS (during it's final months as a superstation from Atlanta)
19-WPXD (Ion)
20-WMYD (My Network TV (still listed as The WB!))
21-Superstation WGN
23-TNT
24-Nickelodeon
26-Disney Channel
27-Lifetime
29-Comedy Central
31-MTV
32-FSN Detroit
33-ESPN
36-AMC
37-TLC
38-ABC Family
40-HGTV
45-Sci-Fi Channel
46-A&E
47-The History Channel
48-Discovery
50-CNN
57-Spike
400-HBO
430-Showtime
440-The Movie Channel
460-Cinemax

Wyandotte Municipal Services Cable, February 14, 2007
2-WJBK (Fox)
3-WWJ (CBS)
4-WDIV (NBC)
5-WKBD (The CW (still listed as UPN!))
7-WXYZ (ABC)
8-WMYD (My Network TV (still listed as The WB!))
9-CBET (CBC)
12-WTVS (PBS)
14-WPXD (Ion)
27-HBO
28-Cinemax
29-Showtime
30-The Movie Channel
31-ESPN
35-FSN Detroit
36-CNN
42-HGTV
43-TLC
44-Discovery
48-A&E
50-The History Channel
51-Disney Channel
52-Nickelodeon
55-ABC Family
56-TNT
58-Superstation WGN
59-USA
60-TBS (during it's final months as a superstation from Atlanta)
62-Lifetime
63-AMC
66-Spike
68-MTV
70-Comedy Central
71-Sci-Fi Channel


For three days in January 2017 (15th, 16th, 19th) and one night in September 2017 (22nd), I managed to receive KDKA Pittsburgh from 202 miles away indoors!

My tropo station reception reports: https://www.rabbitears.info/dxlocation.php?id=403

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Post by Mega Hertz » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:32 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:56 pm
TCI was very cheap. As late as 1998, Grand Rapids only went up to about 50 (and had a few shared-time channels).

Analog cable viewers in the Grand Rapids area never got to enjoy MTV2 during the period of time that network was actually relevant, or for that matter, ESPN2!

That's right - for many years, ESPN2 could only be viewed in the Grand Rapids area if you had a digital set-up box. Bear in mind 80%+ of cable viewers in this era (90's & early 00's) watched cable by connecting the coax directly to their CRT-style TV sets.

I think it wasn't until Comcast acquired the former TCI cable system in the early 2000's (from AT&T Broadband, ironically) that ESPN2 was finally made available to expanded basic cable subscribers without a digital box.
Here's the weird part. On the lineup I listed above, while we had no MTV or Nickelodoen or even Comedy Central, we had ESPN2 from the day it debuted (IIRC, it was on 28 or so?). It was a piss ant little diddly little neighborhood cable system.

I kind of miss neighborhood by neighborhood cable systems. On Comcast Sterling Heights, The Movie Channel (the bastard movie network) was on channel 20, but in Warren, it was on channel 6. Even the way the channels were scrambled differently city to city. The premium channels always seemed to be 17-22 or so, but then when Comcast changed everything around in the mid-late 90s, they all went up to the 60s and 70s. PPV channels were 62-65. Encore and Starz! were 81 and 82. That was the first time we had more than just the standard HBO, PASS, Cinemax, TMC, Disney and Showtime. Now we had 3 HBO's, 2 Cinemax, Encore, Starz, etc.

Yet I'll never forget that piss ant little diddly neighborhood system offering PASS on 16, The Movie Channel on 17 and Showtime on 18. No HBO, no Cinemax and no Disney. Eventually, they all became Comcast.


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Post by mtburb » Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:52 pm

Mega Hertz wrote:
Mon Oct 22, 2018 1:32 pm
MWmetalhead wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:56 pm
TCI was very cheap. As late as 1998, Grand Rapids only went up to about 50 (and had a few shared-time channels).

Analog cable viewers in the Grand Rapids area never got to enjoy MTV2 during the period of time that network was actually relevant, or for that matter, ESPN2!

That's right - for many years, ESPN2 could only be viewed in the Grand Rapids area if you had a digital set-up box. Bear in mind 80%+ of cable viewers in this era (90's & early 00's) watched cable by connecting the coax directly to their CRT-style TV sets.

I think it wasn't until Comcast acquired the former TCI cable system in the early 2000's (from AT&T Broadband, ironically) that ESPN2 was finally made available to expanded basic cable subscribers without a digital box.
Here's the weird part. On the lineup I listed above, while we had no MTV or Nickelodoen or even Comedy Central, we had ESPN2 from the day it debuted (IIRC, it was on 28 or so?). It was a piss ant little diddly little neighborhood cable system.

I kind of miss neighborhood by neighborhood cable systems. On Comcast Sterling Heights, The Movie Channel (the bastard movie network) was on channel 20, but in Warren, it was on channel 6. Even the way the channels were scrambled differently city to city. The premium channels always seemed to be 17-22 or so, but then when Comcast changed everything around in the mid-late 90s, they all went up to the 60s and 70s. PPV channels were 62-65. Encore and Starz! were 81 and 82. That was the first time we had more than just the standard HBO, PASS, Cinemax, TMC, Disney and Showtime. Now we had 3 HBO's, 2 Cinemax, Encore, Starz, etc.

Yet I'll never forget that piss ant little diddly neighborhood system offering PASS on 16, The Movie Channel on 17 and Showtime on 18. No HBO, no Cinemax and no Disney. Eventually, they all became Comcast.
You're again reminding me of the days when the Downriver area was like that too. Take this for premium channels for example:
  • Wayne Cablevision, which morphed into Maclean Hunter, had their movie premiums (and their redundant lineup channels) between channels 16 and 23 (it was set up so it was lineup channel followed by the actual channel).
  • Wyandotte Cable until their 1999 rebuild placed their premium lineup (HBO, The Movie Channel, PASS, Showtime, Cinemax and The Disney Channel) between channels 34 and 39. When Fox Sports Detroit replaced PASS, it was still grouped with the premiums right up until the rebuild, which reallocated the 30's to the sports and news networks.
  • United Cable, which was sold to TCI, was, again, the weirdest. As of 1991, the premiums were between channels 14 and 22, then there was The Movie Channel on 58 and Spice Pay-Per-View and The Travel Channel splitting channel 61!
I did some further research on United Cable/TCI Woodhaven on Radio Discussions and I found a couple other notes: they carried WTVG until the late 1980's (when the one south-facing VHF antenna on United's headend tower failed) and they continued to carry WNWO until 1997 when WDIV imposed the Telecommunications Act of 1996 on TCI. WTVG, like WNWO, was only carried in Woodhaven and Gibraltar.


For three days in January 2017 (15th, 16th, 19th) and one night in September 2017 (22nd), I managed to receive KDKA Pittsburgh from 202 miles away indoors!

My tropo station reception reports: https://www.rabbitears.info/dxlocation.php?id=403

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