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Some Guy from Toledo
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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:38 pm

rugratsonline wrote:
Fri Apr 07, 2017 9:10 pm
Some Guy from Toledo wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2017 11:19 pm
Impressed if cable TV operators carried "The Box" at all. My town had it on a LPTV station that didn't even get carried on Buckeye at all, despite often getting used a lot often for the urban/ghetto tunes MTV wouldn't show.
In Pinellas County, FL, the Vision Cable system that served the northern and central parts of the county offered The Box, but areas served by Paragon Cable did not. This was in addition to aerial coverage on LPTV. The cable coverage ended sometime in the mid-to-late 1990s after Vision Cable and Paragon both became Time Warner (Spectrum today).
Sucks to have lost it by that point. I like to think Buckeye saw no need to carry 48 by the time they were The Box before they picked up their UPN affiliation (barely).
The aerial version continued through The Box's transition to MTV2
Too bad I didn't see this iteration for free up here.
(The station is still on today as WARP-CD channel 20, but offers four subchannels; Locus Point Networks, which specialises in harvesting TV stations for the dreaded spectrum auction, is planning to acquire WARP. And no -- no area cable system offers it.)
That sucks.

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Apr 07, 2017 10:19 pm

C-Tec, perhaps?
That sounds correct to me! I never would've been able to recall that name in a million years. I'm impressed.
102.9 The Hog in Milwaukee KICKS ASS!!! Love the 90's weekends. (The playlist during the work week is damn good, too!)

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by schmave » Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:18 pm

Some Guy from Toledo wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:13 pm
schmave wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:10 pm
Some Guy from Toledo wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:10 pm
mtburb wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:16 pm
Additionally, when Wyandotte Cable first came into existence, viewers in that city never pretty much got to enjoy the times when the WGN signal distributed nationally was the "Channel 9" signal pre-Syndex.
Neither did Toledo. Bozo was never part of my childhood.
At least they were able to enjoy another "Channel 9" superstation-this one being WWOR, more than likely removed in 1996, of course, to make room for Animal Planet.
So I guess they got to see Howard Stern's show that way.
WGN was still a premium channel on Buckeye Cable when I was in college, so as late as the spring of 2000.
WGN, along with SciFi and Flix were first offered back in '94 as part of a teir Buckeye Cable put out called "Select Channels". That was the only way we ever got these channels originally. Later on they added Golf Channel and HGTV to the mix
http://vintagetoledotv.squarespace.com/ ... y/19791468
http://vintagetoledotv.squarespace.com/ ... y/20157199
My sophomore and junior years when I lived in a fraternity house on campus, my room was the only one in the entire house that had WGN (my roommate sophomore year and I both were/are Cubs fans, and once I moved into my own room, I was the only one that had WGN) because we had a cable box and ordered it specifically. I don't remember the exact cost, but I know it was pretty cheap.
Don't suppose you recall what brand the box was? I recall when they re-wired us to digital they gave us those big Motorola boxes at one point.
Motorola sounds right, but I am not close to sure. It's been so long ago that I just don't remember, and I am not sure if I ever specifically looked to begin with.
Thanks to your post, I remember also getting the Golf Channel, and come to think of SciFi was another channel we watched. My roommate sophomore year and I were (and are) big fans of Mystery Science Theatre 3000, and by 1998 it had been airing on SciFi for a couple years.

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:26 pm

schmave wrote:
Sat Apr 08, 2017 8:18 pm
Some Guy from Toledo wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2017 7:13 pm
schmave wrote:
Thu Apr 06, 2017 1:10 pm
Some Guy from Toledo wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 11:10 pm
mtburb wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 10:16 pm
Additionally, when Wyandotte Cable first came into existence, viewers in that city never pretty much got to enjoy the times when the WGN signal distributed nationally was the "Channel 9" signal pre-Syndex.
Neither did Toledo. Bozo was never part of my childhood.
At least they were able to enjoy another "Channel 9" superstation-this one being WWOR, more than likely removed in 1996, of course, to make room for Animal Planet.
So I guess they got to see Howard Stern's show that way.
WGN was still a premium channel on Buckeye Cable when I was in college, so as late as the spring of 2000.
WGN, along with SciFi and Flix were first offered back in '94 as part of a teir Buckeye Cable put out called "Select Channels". That was the only way we ever got these channels originally. Later on they added Golf Channel and HGTV to the mix
http://vintagetoledotv.squarespace.com/ ... y/19791468
http://vintagetoledotv.squarespace.com/ ... y/20157199
My sophomore and junior years when I lived in a fraternity house on campus, my room was the only one in the entire house that had WGN (my roommate sophomore year and I both were/are Cubs fans, and once I moved into my own room, I was the only one that had WGN) because we had a cable box and ordered it specifically. I don't remember the exact cost, but I know it was pretty cheap.
Don't suppose you recall what brand the box was? I recall when they re-wired us to digital they gave us those big Motorola boxes at one point.
Motorola sounds right, but I am not close to sure. It's been so long ago that I just don't remember, and I am not sure if I ever specifically looked to begin with.
Thanks to your post, I remember also getting the Golf Channel, and come to think of SciFi was another channel we watched. My roommate sophomore year and I were (and are) big fans of Mystery Science Theatre 3000, and by 1998 it had been airing on SciFi for a couple years.
Oh it was, I was recording those episodes every week and trading those with those who didn't have SciFi!

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by ftballfan » Sat Apr 08, 2017 9:52 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Wed Apr 05, 2017 8:56 pm
TCI was very cheap. As late as 1998, Grand Rapids only went up to about 50 (and had a few shared-time channels).
UGGGGGGGH! I abhorred TCI Cable!!! I was thrilled when TCI Cable was sold; the nightmare was coming to an end.

For a while in the 90's, these MORONS literally removed Comedy Central and MTV from the analog cable line-up in Kent County!! Why, you ask? A few thousand dopey soccer moms (out of 100,000+ subscribed households) requested filters to remove those two channels because they didn't want their kids (or husbands) viewing them.

The year both channels were removed was the same year South Park debuted! Some 18 months later, they brought those two channels back to analog expanded basic cable, but then removed Lifetime (which was truly a bizarre move).

Analog cable viewers in the Grand Rapids area never got to enjoy MTV2 during the period of time that network was actually relevant, or for that matter, ESPN2!

That's right - for many years, ESPN2 could only be viewed in the Grand Rapids area if you had a digital set-up box. Bear in mind 80%+ of cable viewers in this era (90's & early 00's) watched cable by connecting the coax directly to their CRT-style TV sets.

I think it wasn't until Comcast acquired the former TCI cable system in the early 2000's (from AT&T Broadband, ironically) that ESPN2 was finally made available to expanded basic cable subscribers without a digital box.
Speaking of TCI Grand Rapids, here's their lineup from December 1997 (from a sticker on the back of a remote):
2 - TBS
3 - WWMT (CBS) Kalamazoo
4 - WOTV (ABC) Battle Creek
5 - WXMI (FOX) Grand Rapids
6 - WGVU (PBS) Grand Rapids
7 - Discovery Channel
8 - WOOD (NBC) Grand Rapids
9 - Home Shopping Network
10 - Prevue Guide
11 - Showtime
12 - Cable Marketplace
13 - WZZM (ABC) Grand Rapids
14 - Encore
15 - Starz!
16 - HBO
17 - Cinemax
18 - C-SPAN2 [M-F 6am-6pm] / WKBD (UPN) Detroit [M-F 6pm-6am, all day S-S]
19 - WLLA (IND) Kalamazoo
20 - WJUE (IND) Battle Creek (this became WZPX soon after)
21 - WTLJ (TCT) Muskegon
22 - MTV
23 - American Movie Classics
24 - The Weather Channel
25 - Nickelodeon
26 - FX
27 - QVC
28 - Fox News Channel
29 - Headline News
30 - CNN
31 - ESPN
32 - CNBC [M-F 6am-6pm] / Fox Sports Detroit [M-F 6pm-6am, all day S-S]
33 - TNT
34 - USA Network
35 - Cartoon Network
36 - Univision
37 - BET
38 - TNN
39 - Lifetime
40 - A&E
41 - Animal Planet
42 - Disney Channel
43 - Family Channel
47 - WGN (WB) Chicago
48 - Request 1
49 - Request 4 [6am-10pm daily] / Spice [10pm-6am daily]
50 - Public Access
95 - Educational Access K-12 (City of Grand Rapids) / VH1 (suburbs)
96 - Educational Access GRCC
98 - The Health Channel (City of Grand Rapids) / TLC (suburbs)
99 - Government Access / C-SPAN

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by MWmetalhead » Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:46 pm

About a year later, they added maybe 10 new channels to the analog line-up and I jumped for joy. :)

As you can see from the above list, there was NO Comedy Central, NO E!, and NO SciFi at the time!!! Also, only part of the service area received VH1 and TLC, and both of those networks were slotted on channels susceptible to FM radio interference.

But, hey, we got WJUE (a mix of church hymns & nature scenes + infomercials), the Cable Marketplace, and Prevue Guide. Lucky us.
102.9 The Hog in Milwaukee KICKS ASS!!! Love the 90's weekends. (The playlist during the work week is damn good, too!)

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by ftballfan » Sun Apr 09, 2017 4:25 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:46 pm
About a year later, they added maybe 10 new channels to the analog line-up and I jumped for joy. :)

As you can see from the above list, there was NO Comedy Central, NO E!, and NO SciFi at the time!!! Also, only part of the service area received VH1 and TLC, and both of those networks were slotted on channels susceptible to FM radio interference.

But, hey, we got WJUE (a mix of church hymns & nature scenes + infomercials), the Cable Marketplace, and Prevue Guide. Lucky us.
Was that the time they added digital cable service as well as shuffling the analog lineup majorly (with only the broadcast stations staying where they were)? Also checking Wikipedia, WJUE had a secondary UPN affiliation, which meant GR had two UPN stations on cable for a couple of years (but WKBD was likely pre-empting some nights for sports programming).

Here is what I remember the AT&T Broadband lineup from around 2000/2001 in GR (many of the channels are in the same slots they are today)
2 - TBS
3 - WWMT (CBS) Kalamazoo
4 - WOTV (ABC) Battle Creek
5 - WXMI (FOX) Grand Rapids
6 - WGVU (PBS) Grand Rapids
7 - WZPX (PAX/WB) Battle Creek
8 - WOOD (NBC) Grand Rapids
9 - TV Guide Channel
10 - HSN
11 - QVC
12 - Cable Marketplace
13 - WZZM (ABC) Grand Rapids
(I think a couple of movie channels stayed between 14 and 16 for a while before getting moved exclusively up to digital)
17 - SuperStation WGN
18 - WXSP (UPN) Grand Rapids
19 - WLLA (IND) Kalamazoo
20 - Cable Info
21 - WTLJ (TCT) Muskegon
(22 and 23 were blank; 23 still is!)
24 - Local Access (usually Classic Arts Showcase)
25 - Local Access
26 - Local Access
27 - Local Access (GRPS)
28 - Local Access (GRCC)
29 - C-SPAN
30 - C-SPAN 2
(31-34 were blank at the time)
35 - Nickelodeon
36 - Cartoon Network
37 - Disney Channel
(Hallmark Channel was added later on 38)
39 - Weather Channel
40 - Fox News Channel
41 - Headline News
42 - CNN
43 - CNBC
44 - MSNBC
45 - Court TV
(Galavision was added later on 46)
47 - ESPN
48 - Fox Sports Detroit
(CMT came later on 49)
50 - MTV
51 - VH1
52 - Comedy Central
53 - E!
54 - FX
55 - TNT
56 - USA
57 - Univision
58 - BET
59 - TNN
60 - Lifetime
61 - A&E
62 - Discovery Channel
63 - Animal Planet
64 - ABC Family Channel
65 - AMC
66 - TLC
67 - History Channel
These channels were on analog in Northern Michigan (and likely in some outer suburbs of GR) but not in Grand Rapids: Bravo, CMT, ESPN2, ESPN Classic, ESPNews, EWTN, Fit TV, Food Network, Game Show Network, Golf Channel, Hallmark Channel, HGTV, Inspiration Network, National Geographic, OLN, Oxygen, Sci-Fi Channel, SoapNet, Speedvision, Style, TBN, TCM, Tech TV, Toon Disney, Travel Channel, TV Land (however, many of these were seen on digital cable and some were later moved down to analog)

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by mtburb » Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:18 pm

This is, according to an annual report on the FCC cable search page, what I remember Comcast's Detroit proper headend analog lineup during the few short years I lived in southwest Detroit in the early 2000's (many channels are still on their same slots on this system today):
2-WTVS (PBS)
3-WADL (Independent)
4-WPXD (Pax)
5-WKBD (UPN)
6-WDWB (The WB)
7-WJBK (Fox)
8-WDIV (NBC)
9-WWJ (CBS)
10-WXYZ (ABC)
11-Superstation WGN
12-Local Access
13-Government Access
14-Educational Access
15-TV Guide Channel
16-Court TV
17-Michigan Government TV
18-ESPN
19-QVC
20-BET
21-TMC
22-HBO
23-MSNBC
24-TBS
25-Discovery Channel
26-TNT
27-AMC
28-Style
29-Comedy Central
30-Golf Channel
31-ESPN 2
32-TV Land
33-Speed
34-A&E
35-Bravo
36-E!
(there was nothing on 37 at the time)
38-CNBC
39-TLC
40-CNN
41-CNN Headline News
42-The Weather Channel
43-Liftime
44-HGTV
45-Food Network
46-Nickelodeon
47-Cartoon Network
48-ABC Family
49-USA
50-Cinemax
51-Showtime
52-The Movie Channel
53-MTV
54-VH1
55-HSN
56-History Channel
57-Valuevision
58-MBC Network
59-C-Span
60-Univision (national feed)
61-BET on Jazz
62-CTN
63-Gunthy Rinker
64-Sci-Fi
65-TBN
66-INSP
67-C-Span 2
68-Game Show Network
69-CBET (CBC)
70-Local Access
71-Religious Access
72-Leased Access
For three days in January 2017 (15th, 16th, 19th), I managed to receive KDKA Pittsburgh from 202 miles away indoors!

My tropo station reception reports: https://www.rabbitears.info/dxlocation.php?id=403

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by rugratsonline » Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:23 pm

MWmetalhead wrote:
Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:46 pm
...only part of the service area received VH1 and TLC, and both of those networks were slotted on channels susceptible to FM radio interference.
Channels 95 to 99 were often found on many cable ready TVs and VCRs, apparently due to the frequency layout -- most often, you have a set that would go to 36 to 62, then jump to 95. Most systems would often use these for either local access or throwaway cable channels.

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Sun Apr 09, 2017 10:22 pm

rugratsonline wrote:
Sun Apr 09, 2017 8:23 pm
MWmetalhead wrote:
Sun Apr 09, 2017 2:46 pm
...only part of the service area received VH1 and TLC, and both of those networks were slotted on channels susceptible to FM radio interference.
Channels 95 to 99 were often found on many cable ready TVs and VCRs, apparently due to the frequency layout -- most often, you have a set that would go to 36 to 62, then jump to 95. Most systems would often use these for either local access or throwaway cable channels.
What mind did! I think they stuck ch. 48 up there once.

Outside of that, channels 95 and 96 were the channels you could turn to if you had a Japanese video game console like the Nintendo Famicom hooked up to a cable-ready set, due to how Japanese TV channels were laid out.

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by mtburb » Mon Apr 10, 2017 4:52 pm

Apologies for this rather long reply...

Partial June 1998 lineups for a few systems in southeastern Michigan/northwestern Ohio courtesy of an archived Freep TV Book from newspapers.com and an archived Blade TV Week from the Google News Archive:

Alden Park Towers MATV system, Detroit
2-WJBK (Fox)
3-WDWB (The WB)
4-WDIV (NBC)
5-WKBD (UPN)
7-WXYZ (ABC)
8-WWJ (CBS)
9-CBET (CBC)
11-WTOL (CBS, Toledo)
12-WNEM (CBS, Bay City)
13-WTVS (PBS)
17-Showtime
20-HBO
21-The Movie Channel
23-ESPN
32-Bravo
34-A&E
43-The Weather Channel
48-Fox Sports Detroit

Americast suburban Detroit system
2-WJBK (Fox)
3-WTVS (PBS)
4-WDIV (NBC)
5-WKBD (UPN)
6-WWJ (CBS)
7-WXYZ (ABC)
9-CBET (CBC)
19-Bravo
20-WDWB (The WB)
30-A&E
32-AMC
33-HBO
45-Showtime
40-TCM
41-Movie Channel
53-ESPN
58-Weather Channel
92-Fox Sports Detroit
95-Cinemax

Buckeye Cablesystem Toledo headend, with box/without box
2A/9A-CNN
2B/9B-Family Channel
3A/10A-ESPN
3B/10B-MTV
4A/12A-USA Network
5A/5A-TV5 (The WB)
5B/5B-TBS
6B/13B-E!
7A/23A-TNT
7B/23B-AMC
8B/11B-ESPN2
9A/3A-WGTE (PBS)
9B/3B-C-Span
10A/2A-WNWO (NBC)
10B/2B-WJBK (Fox, Detroit)
11A/7A-WTOL (CBS)
11B/7B-WXYZ (ABC, Detroit)
12A/6A-WUPW (Fox)
12B/6B-WDIV (NBC, Detroit)
13A/4A-WTVG (ABC)
13B/4B-WKBD (UPN, Detroit)
14A/25A-Lifetime
14B/25B-Discovery Channel
15A/28A-VH1
15B/28B-TNN
16A/20A-WNGT (UPN)
17A/17A-TLC/C-Span 2
17B-Disney Channel
18A-Movie Channel
18B-Showtime
19A-Flix
19B-HBO
20A/26A-A&E
20B/26B-Comedy Central
23A-Golf Channel
23B-HGTV
24A/8A-WBGU (PBS, Bowling Green)
24B/8B-CBET (CBC, Windsor)
25A/30A-Fox Sports Detroit
25B/30B-TV Land
26A-WGN (The WB, Chicago)
26B-Sci-Fi Channel
27B/24B-History Channel
28B/29B-BET
30B/96B-Odyssey

Cablecom Highland Park headend
2-WJBK (Fox)
3-WTVS (PBS)
4-WDIV (NBC)
5-Showtime
6-WKBD (UPN)
7-WXYZ (ABC)
8-WWJ (CBS)
9-CBET (CBC)
10-WDWB (The WB)
17-Cinemax
18-Fox Sports Detroit
21-HBO
23-Movie Channel
32-A&E
33-ESPN
40-AMC
41-Weather Channel

Cablecom Oxford headend
2-WJBK (Fox)
3-WDWB (The WB)
4-WDIV (NBC)
5-WNEM (CBS, Bay City)
7-WXYZ (ABC)
8-WKBD (UPN)
9-CBET (CBC)
11-WADL (Independent)
12-WEYI (NBC, Saginaw)
13-WTVS (PBS)
15-WJRT (ABC, Flint)
17-Cinemax
19-Fox Sports Detroit
24-HBO
26-Showtime
34-Weather Channel
38-ESPN
40-A&E
41-AMC
53-TCM
62-WWJ (CBS)

Comcast Detroit proper/Eastpointe/Macomb Township/Taylor headends
2-WJBK (Fox)
3-WTVS (PBS)
4-WDIV (NBC)
5-WKBD (UPN)
7-WXYZ (ABC)
8-WDWB (The WB)
11-ESPN
15-WWJ (CBS)
17-CBET (CBC)
27-AMC
30-Fox Sports Detroit
35-A&E
36-Bravo (not available on the Macomb Township headend)
42-Weather Channel
66-TCM (not available in Berlin Township or on the Detroit or Macomb Township headends)
68-HBO
71-Cinemax
73-Showtime
75-Movie Channel

Comcast Pontiac headend
2-WJBK (Fox)
3-ESPN
4-WDIV (NBC)
7-WXYZ (ABC)
9-CBET (CBC)
10-WWJ (CBS)
11-WDWB (The WB)
12-WKBD (UPN)
13-WTVS (PBS)
23-HBO
24-Cinemax
26-Movie Channel
27-Showtime
30-AMC
39-Weather Channel
41-A&E
54-Fox Sports Detroit

Harron Cable (serving Chesterfield and Port Huron), rebuilt and non-rebuilt
2/2-WJBK (Fox)
4/4-WDIV (NBC)
5/5-WKBD (UPN)
7/7-WXYZ (ABC)
8/8-WWJ (CBS)
9/9-CBET (CBC)
11/11-WTVS (PBS)
12/12-WDWB (The WB)
23/23-AMC
31/31-Weather Channel
32/32-Fox Sports Detroit
34/34-ESPN
42/42-A&E
62-Bravo (rebuilt systems only)
68/14-HBO
70/15-Cinemax
72/16-Showtime
74/20-Movie Channel

Mediaone Ann Arbor headend
2-WJBK (Fox)
4-WDIV (NBC)
5-HBO
6-WDWB (The WB)
7-WXYZ (ABC)
12-WTVS (PBS)
13-WWJ (CBS)
14-WKBD (UPN)
21-CBET (CBC)
24-Showtime
27-Fox Sports Detroit
33-ESPN
34-Weather Channel
47-A&E
48-AMC
64-Bravo
65-Movie Channel
66-Cinemax

Mediaone Belleville/Romulus headends
2-WJBK (Fox)
4-WDIV (NBC)
5-ESPN
6-WKBD (UPN)
7-WXYZ (ABC)
8-WWJ (CBS)
9-CBET (CBC)
12-WTVS (PBS)
13-Weather Channel
18-A&E
20-WDWB (The WB)
21-Fox Sports Detroit
23-HBO
24-Cinemax
25-Movie Channel
26-Showtime
45-AMC

Mediaone Birmingham headend
12-WJBK (Fox)
13-WDIV (NBC)
15-WXYZ (ABC)
16-CBET (CBC)
17-WDWB (The WB)
19-WWJ (CBS)
20-WTVS (PBS)
22-WKBD (UPN)
23-Fox Sports Detroit
24-HBO
25-Cinemax
27-Showtime
28-Movie Channel
30-Bravo
31-AMC
32-A&E
38-ESPN
42-Weather Channel

Mediaone Canton/Dearborn Heights/Madison Heights/Plymouth/Southfield (rebuild)/Westland headends
2-WJBK (Fox)
4-WDIV (NBC)
5-HBO
6-WTVS (PBS)
7-WXYZ (ABC)
9-CBET (CBC)
14-WWJ (CBS)
13-WKBD (UPN)
20-WDWB (The WB)
22-Cinemax
30-Weather Channel
32-Fox Sports Detroit
35-ESPN
44-Bravo
45-A&E
46-AMC
47-TCM (Plymouth headend only)
73-Movie Channel
77-Showtime

Mediaone Hamtramck headend
4-Weather Channel
6-ESPN
7-Fox Sports Detroit
17-Cinemax
19-Movie Channel
21-HBO
22-WJBK (Fox)
23-WDIV (NBC)
24-WXYZ (ABC)
25-CBET (CBC)
26-WKBD (UPN)
27-WTVS (PBS)
28-WWJ (CBS)
29-WDWB (The WB)
37-A&E
46-AMC
48-Showtime

Mediaone Hazel Park/Southfield (non-rebuild) headends
5-HBO
6-WTVS (PBS)
9-WDIV (NBC)
10-WXYZ (ABC)
12-WJBK (Fox)
13-WKBD (UPN)
14-WWJ (CBS)
19-Cinemax
20-WDWB (The WB)
22-Showtime
24-CBET (CBC)
34-Weather Channel
35-ESPN (not available in Hazel Park)
37-A&E
39-AMC
53-Fox Sports Detroit
56-Movie Channel

Mediaone West Bloomfield headend, rebuilt and non-rebuilt
5/5-HBO
6/6-WTVS (PBS)
8/8-CBET (CBC)
9/9-WDIV (NBC)
10/10-WXYZ (ABC)
12/12-WJBK (Fox)
13/13-WKBD (UPN)
14/14-WWJ (CBS)
19/22-Cinemax
20/20-WDWB (The WB)
22/72-Showtime
34/30-Weather Channel
38/35-ESPN
37/45-A&E
39/46-AMC
53/32-Fox Sports Detroit
56/73-Movie Channel
62/44-Bravo

TCI Rochester headend, with box/without box
2/10B-WJBK (Fox)
4/11B-WDIV (NBC)
5/5B-WKBD (UPN)
6/6B-WTVS (PBS)
7/8B-WXYZ (ABC)
9/9B-WWJ (CBS)
10/46-ESPN
20/20B-WDWB (The WB)
30/62-Bravo
31/37-AMC
34/52-A&E
39-HBO
40-Cinemax
41-Showtime
42-Movie Channel
45/54-Fox Sports Detroit
48/36-The Weather Channel
62/12B-CBET (CBC)

TCI Royal Oak headend, with box/without box
2/10B-WJBK (Fox)
4/11B-WDIV (NBC)
5/5B-WKBD (UPN)
6/6B-WTVS (PBS)
7/8B-WXYZ (ABC)
9/9B-WWJ (CBS)
10/41B-ESPN
20/20B-WDWB (The WB)
30/32B-Bravo
31/25B-AMC
34/34B-A&E
39A-HBO
40A-Cinemax
41A-Showtime
42A-Movie Channel
45/25B-Fox Sports Detroit
48/28B-The Weather Channel
62/12B-CBET (CBC)

TCI Woodhaven (also serving Gibraltar, Trenton and Lincoln Park) headend
2-WJBK (Fox)
4-WDIV (NBC)
5-WKBD (UPN)
7-WXYZ (ABC)
9-WWJ (CBS)
11-ESPN
18-HBO
19-Showtime
20-Cinemax
31-AMC
37-Fox Sports Detroit
40-Weather Channel
41-A&E
45-WDWB (The WB)
49-CBET (CBC)
51-WTVS (PBS)
65-TCM (Trenton and Lincoln Park only)
72-Bravo (Trenton and Lincoln Park only)
85-Movie Channel

Time Warner Cable Dearborn/Farmington Hills (also serving Livonia, Novi and Redford)/Wayne headends
2-WJBK (Fox)
4-WDIV (NBC)
5-WKBD (UPN)
6-WDWB (The WB)
7-WXYZ (ABC)
9-CBET (CBC)
11-WTVS (PBS)
14-WWJ (CBS)
31-ESPN
34-Weather Channel
36-AMC
37-TCM
40-Bravo
50-A&E
67-HBO
69-Showtime
71-Cinemax
73-Movie Channel
75-Fox Sports Detroit

Wyandotte Municipal Services Cable
2-WJBK (Fox)
3-ESPN
4-WDIV (NBC)
5-WKBD (UPN)
6-Weather Channel
7-WXYZ (ABC)
8-WDWB (The WB)
9-CBET (CBC)
10-CNN
12-WTVS (PBS)
15-CICA (TVO)
16-WGTE (PBS, Toledo)
17-Nickelodeon
18-Family Channel
29-AMC
30-USA Network
31-TBS
32-TNT
34-HBO
35-Movie Channel
36-Fox Sports Detroit
37-Showtime
38-Cinemax
39-Disney Channel
40-WGN (The WB, Chicago)
41-Lifetime
43-MTV
46-CNBC
37-TLC
48-A&E
49-Discovery Channel
50-TNN
54-Sci-Fi Channel
58-WADL (Independent)
61-WWJ (CBS)
For three days in January 2017 (15th, 16th, 19th), I managed to receive KDKA Pittsburgh from 202 miles away indoors!

My tropo station reception reports: https://www.rabbitears.info/dxlocation.php?id=403

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by ftballfan » Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:15 pm

Kind of interesting that as late as 1998, several cable companies were in each metro, with each company serving individual cities. Most of them would be bought up by Comcast within the next several years

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:19 pm

ftballfan wrote:
Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:15 pm
Kind of interesting that as late as 1998, several cable companies were in each metro, with each company serving individual cities. Most of them would be bought up by Comcast within the next several years
The conglomeration certainly happened. In some way, I suppose Toledo ought to be lucky it had Buckeye Cablesystem at all, given we could've easily be in Charter territory today.

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by mtburb » Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:14 pm

Some Guy from Toledo wrote:
Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:19 pm
ftballfan wrote:
Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:15 pm
Kind of interesting that as late as 1998, several cable companies were in each metro, with each company serving individual cities. Most of them would be bought up by Comcast within the next several years
The conglomeration certainly happened. In some way, I suppose Toledo ought to be lucky it had Buckeye Cablesystem at all, given we could've easily be in Charter territory today.
Same can be said here in Wyandotte, we ought to be lucky enough to have a city-run cable system, otherwise, we could've easily been in Comcast territory right now.

At least people in Highland Park are lucky to have broken away from Charter (which acquired Cablecom) and become part of this little system called MICom, which otherwise has all of their systems in the left half of the mitten.
For three days in January 2017 (15th, 16th, 19th), I managed to receive KDKA Pittsburgh from 202 miles away indoors!

My tropo station reception reports: https://www.rabbitears.info/dxlocation.php?id=403

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Tue Apr 11, 2017 10:57 pm

mtburb wrote:
Mon Apr 10, 2017 9:14 pm
Some Guy from Toledo wrote:
Mon Apr 10, 2017 8:19 pm
ftballfan wrote:
Mon Apr 10, 2017 6:15 pm
Kind of interesting that as late as 1998, several cable companies were in each metro, with each company serving individual cities. Most of them would be bought up by Comcast within the next several years
The conglomeration certainly happened. In some way, I suppose Toledo ought to be lucky it had Buckeye Cablesystem at all, given we could've easily be in Charter territory today.
Same can be said here in Wyandotte, we ought to be lucky enough to have a city-run cable system, otherwise, we could've easily been in Comcast territory right now.

At least people in Highland Park are lucky to have broken away from Charter (which acquired Cablecom) and become part of this little system called MICom, which otherwise has all of their systems in the left half of the mitten.
Damn. It's nice to know there's still quite a few Ma & Pa operations left at all.

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by KeenerGold » Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:22 pm

I wish I could remember the name and lineup of the cable company we had in Walled Lake around 1984-1985. We had maybe 20 channels, and a Hamlin slide rule converter box like this:

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I remember my mom ordering cable because they offered The Disney Channel, which was still a pay service at the time.

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:31 pm

KeenerGold wrote:
Wed Apr 12, 2017 12:22 pm
I wish I could remember the name and lineup of the cable company we had in Walled Lake around 1984-1985. We had maybe 20 channels, and a Hamlin slide rule converter box like this:

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I remember my mom ordering cable because they offered The Disney Channel, which was still a pay service at the time.
Heh, I first got TDC back in '84, though Buckeye never used boxes like these at all, so the premiums were their own separate boxes. Cable had already been added to our house before my folks moved in during the early 70's.

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by rugratsonline » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:13 pm

Some Guy from Toledo wrote:
Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:31 pm
...Buckeye never used boxes like these at all, so the premiums were their own separate boxes.
...which was how it was back in the 12-channel cable days. In the case of Gerity (Charter / Spectrum) in Bay City, HBO subscribers got a box hooked up to a TV; when they wanted to watch HBO, they tuned to channel 3 (which I think was otherwise WUCM /WDCQ channel 19), then turned on the box. After cable expanded above channel 13 in the early-1980s and cable-ready sets went on the market, viewers found out that HBO was never scrambled -- it was broadcast on a frequency that no other TV could tune without the box. That is, until the new cable-ready sets came along. Gerity caught wind and later began to scramble HBO, requiring a standard cable box with HBO authorised.

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Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Thu Apr 13, 2017 3:18 am

rugratsonline wrote:
Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:13 pm
Some Guy from Toledo wrote:
Wed Apr 12, 2017 5:31 pm
...Buckeye never used boxes like these at all, so the premiums were their own separate boxes.
...which was how it was back in the 12-channel cable days. In the case of Gerity (Charter / Spectrum) in Bay City, HBO subscribers got a box hooked up to a TV; when they wanted to watch HBO, they tuned to channel 3 (which I think was otherwise WUCM /WDCQ channel 19), then turned on the box. After cable expanded above channel 13 in the early-1980s and cable-ready sets went on the market, viewers found out that HBO was never scrambled -- it was broadcast on a frequency that no other TV could tune without the box. That is, until the new cable-ready sets came along. Gerity caught wind and later began to scramble HBO, requiring a standard cable box with HBO authorised.
That's what Buckeye did. I think that lasted until '87. Funny what happened with that cable company though. We once had a box that unscrambled what was on channel 3B down here (I believe it was a scrambled signal of Showtime), so we were literally watching Showtime for free if we had it on!

BTW. I remember someone once talked about seeing a weather channel that used a crude means of a camera panning across dials and other things to show its reports on. Someone uploaded a segment of CBS' "60 Minutes" from 1970 that talked about early CATV setups during that time. About 3 and a half minutes in, they showed this baby!
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I'm guessing the camera was stationary while a mirror slowing moved back and forth across this platform while the camera displayed what was reflected on the mirror (I suppose they'd have to reverse the image the camera took in before it went out to the viewers.

To see more of this, check out this clip!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pd7-NXesr8s

Similarly, there's this neat vid from a cable TV operator in Guam that appears to use cards that were flipped through a contraption of sorts, though I can't tell if it was manual or automatic.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZsH3uL09QI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FWrbihAf3w4

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Re: RE: Re: Old cable lineups

Post by Inundated » Sat Apr 22, 2017 4:38 pm

RingtailedFox wrote:If i remember correctly... before the US Digital Transition in 2009, CBET was carried on Time Warner Cable as far south as Findlay and Bowling Green (and at one point was available in Grand Rapids as well), and WKBD was also carried there and as far south as Lima, Ohio... oh, how times change. :P
CBET is still carried today on the Time Warner-now-Spectrum system in Port Clinton, and was on some of the other TWC systems in that area until just a few years ago. I have no idea why CBET survived in Port Clinton.

A quick lineup check shows CBET on channel 20 in Port Clinton.

Of course, it is still on Buckeye in both Toledo and Sandusky.

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