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2018-2019 Nielsen DMA Rankings

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2018-2019 Nielsen DMA Rankings

Post by mtburb » Thu Sep 27, 2018 10:03 pm

https://www.nielsen.com/content/dam/cor ... ranker.pdf

Detroit is still 14th.
Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo/Battle Creek (shockingly) falls to 49th.
Flint/Saginaw/Bay City has risen to 65th.
Green Bay/Appleton is 67th.
Toledo has risen to 71st-the exact spot Flint occupied last season.
South Bend/Elkhart is 99th.
Lansing rises to 110th.
Traverse City/Cadillac drops to 120th.
Duluth/Superior is 144th.
Marquette is 182nd.
Alpena is still 208th (i.e. third-smallest DMA in the entire country).


For three days in January 2017 (15th, 16th, 19th) and one night in September 2017 (22nd), I managed to receive KDKA Pittsburgh from 202 miles away indoors!

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Re: 2018-2019 Nielsen DMA Rankings

Post by fuzzpower » Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:53 pm

Why is Alpena even a market? It should be combined with Traverse City. WBKB could be a satellite.



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Re: 2018-2019 Nielsen DMA Rankings

Post by MWmetalhead » Sat Sep 29, 2018 8:09 am

Grand Rapids/Kalamazoo/Battle Creek (shockingly) falls to 49th.
Man - that is a gigantic drop! For years, it was #38.

I am also surprised by how low Ft. Myers - Naples, Buffalo and Oklahoma City are on the list and how high Orlando, Sacramento, and Raleigh-Durham appear. There is maybe a 15% population difference between the Detroit and Orlando DMAs now?

Won't be long until Miami - Ft. Lauderdale and Minneapols - St. Paul eclipse Detroit. The only reason Miami is lower today is because of the fact the market contains few counties (West Palm Beach is a separate market). The Minneapolis - St. Paul market benefits from fact it covers more than half the land area of the state of Minnesota plus several counties in Wisconsin.

We can probably blame the population stagnation in Muskegon & Calhoun Counties as being primarily responsible for the GR market's drop in rank.


Radio's downfall has been under-investing in its core competency and becoming distracted by delusions of grandeur by thinking development of a half-assed national digital strategy will somehow put it on par with the Facebooks and Googles of the world.

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Re: 2018-2019 Nielsen DMA Rankings

Post by ftballfan » Sun Sep 30, 2018 6:21 pm

It's more impressive when markets change rankings as the areas of each market are all but codified (there are very few if any counties left that are majority OTA)



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Re: 2018-2019 Nielsen DMA Rankings

Post by organman95 » Tue Oct 02, 2018 9:51 am

fuzzpower wrote:
Fri Sep 28, 2018 7:53 pm
Why is Alpena even a market? It should be combined with Traverse City. WBKB could be a satellite.
I've questioned that for the last 15 years (since I started paying attention to this stuff). If I recall, 29&8 had a translator in Alpena at one time, WTOM has always been defacto NBC for Alpena, FOX 33 had a translator at one time, and "THE BEAR" had a translator in Alpena for a time.



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Re: 2018-2019 Nielsen DMA Rankings

Post by MWmetalhead » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:34 am

WTOM's over-the-air signal stops well short of Alpena these days.

Would've been nice if one of the "up north" TV stations (aside from WCML) would've placed a TX site near Onaway or Atlanta.

To this day, I believe WPBN/WTOM/WGTU/WGTQ f*cked up the configuration of its OTA transmitters. It is beyond idiotic that WPBN and WGTU both broadcast from the same tower. WPBN should've stayed in Harrietta and remained a full power station.

I mean, what is the point of broadcasting TWO full power digital stations from Kalkaska while transmitting only a 15 kW translator from the Harrietta stick, when you could move one of the two Kalkaska full power transmitters to Harrietta, lose virtually *zero* of your existing coverage area, and gain a shit load of coverage in the areas along & south of US-10 (including Ludington and Big Rapids)?

Frankly, Sinclair doesn't even need all four full power stations. They could easily get away with three. Put one in Harrietta, put one somewhere near Gaylord, and keep WGTQ near Goetzville. Put a 15 kW translator very close to downtown Traverse City.

(The above proposals assume NBC and ABC programming airs on all signals.)


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Re: 2018-2019 Nielsen DMA Rankings

Post by TC Talks » Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:39 am

Alpena is 4 hours from Traverse City. The Soo is only 2:45..


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Re: 2018-2019 Nielsen DMA Rankings

Post by audiophile » Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:29 am

MWmetalhead wrote:
Fri Oct 05, 2018 8:34 am
WTOM's over-the-air signal stops well short of Alpena these days.

Would've been nice if one of the "up north" TV stations (aside from WCML) would've placed a TX site near Onaway or Atlanta.

To this day, I believe WPBN/WTOM/WGTU/WGTQ f*cked up the configuration of its OTA transmitters. It is beyond idiotic that WPBN and WGTU both broadcast from the same tower. WPBN should've stayed in Harrietta and remained a full power station.

I mean, what is the point of broadcasting TWO full power digital stations from Kalkaska while transmitting only a 15 kW translator from the Harrietta stick, when you could move one of the two Kalkaska full power transmitters to Harrietta, lose virtually *zero* of your existing coverage area, and gain a shit load of coverage in the areas along & south of US-10 (including Ludington and Big Rapids)?

Frankly, Sinclair doesn't even need all four full power stations. They could easily get away with three. Put one in Harrietta, put one somewhere near Gaylord, and keep WGTQ near Goetzville. Put a 15 kW translator very close to downtown Traverse City.

(The above proposals assume NBC and ABC programming airs on all signals.)
Goetzville is not a great location either for digital. It should have been moved to the Soo.

It's heck of lot better then WTOM though.


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Re: 2018-2019 Nielsen DMA Rankings

Post by organman95 » Sat Oct 06, 2018 2:40 pm

audiophile wrote:
Sat Oct 06, 2018 7:29 am
Goetzville is not a great location either for digital. It should have been moved to the Soo.

It's heck of lot better then WTOM though.
WTOM was good on analog. Thank Barrington for f-ing that one up. At least when I'm in Cheboygan, I can still get the signal (even with digital) by just standing next to the TV



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Re: 2018-2019 Nielsen DMA Rankings

Post by ftballfan » Tue Oct 09, 2018 8:32 pm

If I were Barrington, here is how I would have done it:
WPBN: RF 4 from Harrietta
WTOM: RF 7 from Cheboygan
WGTU: RF 29 from Kalkaska
WGTQ: RF 8 from Goetzville



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Re: 2018-2019 Nielsen DMA Rankings

Post by organman95 » Fri Oct 12, 2018 9:48 am

Why would you swap Channels 7&4?



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Re: 2018-2019 Nielsen DMA Rankings

Post by Nelson » Fri Oct 12, 2018 4:01 pm

Either way, I just wish they would have stayed on VHF.



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