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Cable systems that do not carry all network affiliates from their home DMA

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Re: Cable systems that do not carry all network affiliates from their home DMA

Post by rugratsonline » Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:19 pm

ftballfan wrote:
Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:16 am
I just pulled up a Clinton address on Comcast's website and here is what they carry there:
[Channel numbers are from TV Guide]
ABC: WTVG (15) and WXYZ (7)
CBS: WTOL (17) and WWJ (14)
CW: WKBD (13)
FOX: WJBK (2) and WUPW (22)
ION: WPXD (11)
MNT: WMYD (3)
NBC: WDIV (4) and WNWO (12)
PBS: WGTE (24) and WTVS (6)
Others: CBET (99), WADL (1038 - HD only), WDWO (399), and WLPC (397)
TV Guide has these listed as well, with the rest of the lineup being the same as Ann Arbor.
HD stations are the Toledo Big Four, the Detroit Minor Three, and both PBS members.
I take it that Comcast did to Clinton what they did to Holly a few years back - by switching headends to one that favor the actual market.

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Re: Cable systems that do not carry all network affiliates from their home DMA

Post by ftballfan » Thu Apr 13, 2017 1:52 pm

rugratsonline wrote:
Wed Apr 12, 2017 8:19 pm
ftballfan wrote:
Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:16 am
I just pulled up a Clinton address on Comcast's website and here is what they carry there:
[Channel numbers are from TV Guide]
ABC: WTVG (15) and WXYZ (7)
CBS: WTOL (17) and WWJ (14)
CW: WKBD (13)
FOX: WJBK (2) and WUPW (22)
ION: WPXD (11)
MNT: WMYD (3)
NBC: WDIV (4) and WNWO (12)
PBS: WGTE (24) and WTVS (6)
Others: CBET (99), WADL (1038 - HD only), WDWO (399), and WLPC (397)
TV Guide has these listed as well, with the rest of the lineup being the same as Ann Arbor.
HD stations are the Toledo Big Four, the Detroit Minor Three, and both PBS members.
I take it that Comcast did to Clinton what they did to Holly a few years back - by switching headends to one that favor the actual market.
Dundee (Monroe County) has nearly the same lineup, with two exceptions:
1. The Detroit Big Four are in HD instead of the Toledo Big Four
2. WUPW is replaced by WADL

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Re: Cable systems that do not carry all network affiliates from their home DMA

Post by mtburb » Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:32 pm

Here's a major case-Rocketnet in the southern Genesee County community of Linden (which according to Google is apparently owned by Quicken Loans yet Rocketnet doesn't even have a website let alone one with a lineup!) only get exactly three Flint DMA broadcast stations: WNEM, WJRT and WEYI, all on channels matching their OTA PSIP numbers. That's it. They don't even get WSMH!
For three days in January 2017 (15th, 16th, 19th) and one night in September 2017 (22nd), I managed to receive KDKA Pittsburgh from 202 miles away indoors!

My tropo station reception reports: https://www.rabbitears.info/dxlocation.php?id=403

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Re: Cable systems that do not carry all network affiliates from their home DMA

Post by Some Guy from Toledo » Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:02 pm

mtburb wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:32 pm
Here's a major case-Rocketnet in the southern Genesee County community of Linden (which according to Google is apparently owned by Quicken Loans yet Rocketnet doesn't even have a website let alone one with a lineup!) only get exactly three Flint DMA broadcast stations: WNEM, WJRT and WEYI, all on channels matching their OTA PSIP numbers. That's it. They don't even get WSMH!
That's pretty sad, not even to have a website.

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Re: Cable systems that do not carry all network affiliates from their home DMA

Post by Splouge » Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:31 pm

ftballfan wrote:
Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:16 am
FOX: WJBK (2) and WUPW (22)
I thought Fox didn't want its stations to have out of market cable coverage
One time, I got WYZZ Peoria 330 miles away indoors clearly for 10 minutes on Dec 5, 2015

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Re: Cable systems that do not carry all network affiliates from their home DMA

Post by mtburb » Mon May 01, 2017 9:16 am

Some Guy from Toledo wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 9:02 pm
mtburb wrote:
Mon Apr 17, 2017 7:32 pm
Here's a major case-Rocketnet in the southern Genesee County community of Linden (which according to Google is apparently owned by Quicken Loans yet Rocketnet doesn't even have a website let alone one with a lineup!) only get exactly three Flint DMA broadcast stations: WNEM, WJRT and WEYI, all on channels matching their OTA PSIP numbers. That's it. They don't even get WSMH!
That's pretty sad, not even to have a website.
...or the Fox network.
Splouge wrote:
Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:31 pm
ftballfan wrote:
Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:16 am
FOX: WJBK (2) and WUPW (22)
I thought Fox didn't want its stations to have out of market cable coverage
Apparently this one somehow does. You could say the same for the Comcast Flint headend which has WJBK on 2 and WSMH on 8. However, it appears that Charter's West Branch headend has dropped WFQX very recently as it's not on the Zap2It listings when I checked a while ago though it was there intact when I was up there last year.
ftballfan wrote:
Wed Apr 12, 2017 10:40 am
Charter in Pentwater only carries WGVU, WXSP, and WZZM from its home market (Grand Rapids). However, it's served from the Ludington headend, which carries most Traverse City stations (no WLLZ or WMNN, but does have CW+). Looking at the Ludington Daily News past TV guides, even when Pentwater had its own lineup, it usually tended to lean toward Traverse City (especially for CBS and NBC). Those guides also indicated that Ludington had 29&8 on cable for a while, lost it, and got it back recently.
There is a similar situation with Comcast in the New Buffalo area, which only gets WSBT, WNDU and WNIT from the DMA where it's located, South Bend, but it's due to it being served through the Michigan City headend, which is in the Chicago DMA and thus carries most of that market's stations in SD and HD alongside South Bend stations, which are offered in HD as well (it's also due to this that Comcast would've retained this headend had their merger with Time Warner Cable gone through).
For three days in January 2017 (15th, 16th, 19th) and one night in September 2017 (22nd), I managed to receive KDKA Pittsburgh from 202 miles away indoors!

My tropo station reception reports: https://www.rabbitears.info/dxlocation.php?id=403

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Re: Cable systems that do not carry all network affiliates from their home DMA

Post by ftballfan » Mon May 01, 2017 11:27 am

Splouge wrote:
Sun Apr 30, 2017 7:31 pm
ftballfan wrote:
Wed Apr 12, 2017 11:16 am
FOX: WJBK (2) and WUPW (22)
I thought Fox didn't want its stations to have out of market cable coverage
It may be allowed (or grandfathered in) because of the system crossing the county (and market) line and it not serving major cities.
mtburb wrote:
Mon May 01, 2017 9:16 am
There is a similar situation with Comcast in the New Buffalo area, which only gets WSBT, WNDU and WNIT from the DMA where it's located, South Bend, but it's due to it being served through the Michigan City headend, which is in the Chicago DMA and thus carries most of that market's stations in SD and HD alongside South Bend stations, which are offered in HD as well (it's also due to this that Comcast would've retained this headend had their merger with Time Warner Cable gone through).
New Buffalo (and Berrien County) used to be in the Chicago market years ago.

If the powers that be were more willing to split counties into more than one DMA years ago, it is likely that Clinton would have fallen in the Detroit DMA and New Buffalo would have fallen in the Chicago DMA.

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Re: Cable systems that do not carry all network affiliates from their home DMA

Post by mtburb » Fri May 05, 2017 8:38 pm

Here is a very unusual case...according to Zap2It, Fraser is also served by a Parish Communications headend...which does not have ANY Detroit-based OTA stations, but instead has those from the Flint and Traverse City DMAs. http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tvlistings ... =MI68223:-

Making matters worse, their website hasn't been updated since 1996! http://parishonline.net/
For three days in January 2017 (15th, 16th, 19th) and one night in September 2017 (22nd), I managed to receive KDKA Pittsburgh from 202 miles away indoors!

My tropo station reception reports: https://www.rabbitears.info/dxlocation.php?id=403

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Re: Cable systems that do not carry all network affiliates from their home DMA

Post by ftballfan » Fri May 05, 2017 8:57 pm

mtburb wrote:
Fri May 05, 2017 8:38 pm
Here is a very unusual case...according to Zap2It, Fraser is also served by a Parish Communications headend...which does not have ANY Detroit-based OTA stations, but instead has those from the Flint and Traverse City DMAs. http://tvschedule.zap2it.com/tvlistings ... =MI68223:-

Making matters worse, their website hasn't been updated since 1996! http://parishonline.net/
There IS a Fraser Township in Bay County and this is the Parish lineup that comes up when entering the ZIP code (48634) serving it: http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings ... aid=zap2it

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Re: Cable systems that do not carry all network affiliates from their home DMA

Post by ftballfan » Fri May 05, 2017 9:06 pm

This MATV system in Mount Pleasant doesn't carry WSMH. It instead carries WFQX for FOX programming: http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings ... aid=zap2it

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Re: Cable systems that do not carry all network affiliates from their home DMA

Post by mtburb » Sun May 07, 2017 8:50 pm

ftballfan wrote:
Fri May 05, 2017 9:06 pm
This MATV system in Mount Pleasant doesn't carry WSMH. It instead carries WFQX for FOX programming: http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings ... aid=zap2it
I'm surprised Fox hasn't yet requested them to replace WFQX with WSMH, considering that they're somewhat against carriage of their out-of-market affiliates...
For three days in January 2017 (15th, 16th, 19th) and one night in September 2017 (22nd), I managed to receive KDKA Pittsburgh from 202 miles away indoors!

My tropo station reception reports: https://www.rabbitears.info/dxlocation.php?id=403

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Re: Cable systems that do not carry all network affiliates from their home DMA

Post by ftballfan » Sun May 07, 2017 9:15 pm

mtburb wrote:
Sun May 07, 2017 8:50 pm
ftballfan wrote:
Fri May 05, 2017 9:06 pm
This MATV system in Mount Pleasant doesn't carry WSMH. It instead carries WFQX for FOX programming: http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings ... aid=zap2it
I'm surprised Fox hasn't yet requested them to replace WFQX with WSMH, considering that they're somewhat against carriage of their out-of-market affiliates...
These rules don't apply to private MATV systems AFAIK

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Re: Cable systems that do not carry all network affiliates from their home DMA

Post by rugratsonline » Sun May 14, 2017 8:09 pm

ftballfan wrote:
Sun May 07, 2017 9:15 pm
mtburb wrote:
Sun May 07, 2017 8:50 pm
ftballfan wrote:
Fri May 05, 2017 9:06 pm
This MATV system in Mount Pleasant doesn't carry WSMH. It instead carries WFQX for FOX programming: http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings ... aid=zap2it
I'm surprised Fox hasn't yet requested them to replace WFQX with WSMH, considering that they're somewhat against carriage of their out-of-market affiliates...
These rules don't apply to private MATV systems AFAIK
Hence the reason why an apartment building in Detroit can carry WWJ, WTOL and WNEM.

Surprised that the WFQX signal reaches that far to Mount Pleasant, unless the MATV system has a large antenna aimed at Cadillac.

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Re: Cable systems that do not carry all network affiliates from their home DMA

Post by hunterw » Sun May 14, 2017 10:06 pm

rugratsonline wrote:
Sun May 14, 2017 8:09 pm
[quote=ftballfan post_id=553798 time=<a href="tel:1494206149">1494206149</a> user_id=8288]
[quote=mtburb post_id=553795 time=<a href="tel:1494204605">1494204605</a> user_id=13667]
[quote=ftballfan post_id=553703 time=<a href="tel:1494032763">1494032763</a> user_id=8288]
This MATV system in Mount Pleasant doesn't carry WSMH. It instead carries WFQX for FOX programming: http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings ... aid=zap2it
I'm surprised Fox hasn't yet requested them to replace WFQX with WSMH, considering that they're somewhat against carriage of their out-of-market affiliates...
[/quote]

These rules don't apply to private MATV systems AFAIK
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Hence the reason why an apartment building in Detroit can carry WWJ, WTOL and WNEM.

Surprised that the WFQX signal reaches that far to Mount Pleasant, unless the MATV system has a large antenna aimed at Cadillac.
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rugratsonline wrote:
Sun May 14, 2017 8:09 pm
[quote=ftballfan post_id=553798 time=<a href="tel:1494206149">1494206149</a> user_id=8288]
[quote=mtburb post_id=553795 time=<a href="tel:1494204605">1494204605</a> user_id=13667]
[quote=ftballfan post_id=553703 time=<a href="tel:1494032763">1494032763</a> user_id=8288]
This MATV system in Mount Pleasant doesn't carry WSMH. It instead carries WFQX for FOX programming: http://tvlistings.zap2it.com/tvlistings ... aid=zap2it
I'm surprised Fox hasn't yet requested them to replace WFQX with WSMH, considering that they're somewhat against carriage of their out-of-market affiliates...
[/quote]

These rules don't apply to private MATV systems AFAIK
[/quote]

Hence the reason why an apartment building in Detroit can carry WWJ, WTOL and WNEM.

Surprised that the WFQX signal reaches that far to Mount Pleasant, unless the MATV system has a large antenna aimed at Cadillac.
[/quote]


Actually WFQX signal is stronger or about the same in mount pleasant then it is in in traverse city per tvfool.com. Looks like the signal drops off once it gets north of tc

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Re: Cable systems that do not carry all network affiliates from their home DMA

Post by ftballfan » Sun May 14, 2017 10:23 pm

^ WFQX is on the big 9&10 tower in northern Osceola County (also on 9.2 for those that can't pick up 32.1) and has been in that same general area for most of its history (save a short stint in which its digital signal broadcast from the WGTU tower in Kalkaska County)

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